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Post by dannusmaximus on Jun 8, 2016 12:47:04 GMT
@all who are think we should consider voting Libertarian - - I hear you, and I'm like Mulder when it comes to the Libertarian Party: I WANT TO BELIEVE!! I read a very nice definition of libertariansim fro the national website of the Libertarian Party. It said "Think of us as a group of people with a "live and let live" mentality and a balanced checkbook." Man. That's really neat. That would be awesome. Like, really awesome! Other excerpts from the Libertarian Party website: "It is the only political organization which respects you as a unique and competent individual." "Let peaceful, honest people offer their goods and services to willing consumers without a hassle from government." "Let peaceful, honest people decide for themselves what to eat, drink, read, or smoke and how to dress, medicate themselves, or make love, without fear of criminal penalties." "Americans want, and deserve, a political system which respects them as unique individuals; as people who can make their own plans, who can take responsibility for themselves, who are compassionate, and who can and will solve their own problems if allowed to do so." I could go on, but it's all some variation of the above. And it sounds WONDERFUL! It really does! The only problem I can see is that the people referenced (honest, peaceful, responsible, competent) make up a vanishingly small percentage of the U.S. population, to the point that they are statistical non-factors. I suspect that a libertarian system has never really be successfully established because mankind is NOT by nature honest, or peaceful, or responsible, or competent. It has been my experience that your average person is an ignorant, self-absorbed moron who is barely held in check even by the myriad rules that libertarians think = government overreach. Our capacity for cruelty and self-destruction and short-sightedness is stunning, and as far as I can tell it has been that way since we crawled down from the trees and sharpened our first stick. Honestly, do any of you really think this nation of narcissistic, violent assholes would comport themselves admirably under a libertarian system? I don't. I don't think it is in humanity's nature to be nice to each other, or leave each other alone and allow to live and let live. Pre-columbian humans living in North America were constantly at war with each other, as were Central American native societies, African tribal societies, etc. Slavery, rape, genocide, subjegation, unthinking depletion and destruction of resources. THAT'S how humanity rolls, my friends. It's in our DNA to be horrible to each other to the maximum extent possible in order to get ahead, and to be maximally self-destructive to boot, both individually and as a whole. Understandably, I find it very difficult to take a political philosophy seriously which is, in my mind, predicated on a fiction. Libertarian = Moderate(ish) Republican, at least in any modern, viable iteration. Also, did I mention I voted for Obama in 2008? Yup. Totally taken by his soaring rhetoric, and truly believed he would be somebody who could help address the awful divisiveness of Dubya's years. How's that been workin' out for me...?  |
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Post by rickoshea on Jun 8, 2016 16:10:36 GMT
Now I'm just wondering which convention is gonna have the most rioting? From what we've seen already, it's a fair bet that there will be some violent asshattery outside of the RNC convention in Cleveland.....But I'm thinkin' that unless the DNC can figure out a way to give some sort of "participation trophy" to all those "feeling the Bern" pajama boys & Che Guevara wannabes, there will also be blood spilled at the Wells Fargo Center in Philly.
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Post by dannusmaximus on Jun 8, 2016 19:30:06 GMT
Now I'm just wondering which convention is gonna have the most rioting? From what we've seen already, it's a fair bet that there will be some violent asshattery outside of the RNC convention in Cleveland.....But I'm thinkin' that unless the DNC can figure out a way to give some sort of "participation trophy" to all those "feeling the Bern" pajama boys & Che Guevara wannabes, there will also be blood spilled at the Wells Fargo Center in Philly. Concur. BLM thugs, 'social justice warriors', and anarcho-immigrants will be the common denominator, spilling blood and destroying property at both events as fast as MSNBC can make excuses for them. |
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Post by scbrian on Jun 9, 2016 0:46:11 GMT
As bad as it sounds, I can understand the bern supporters frustrations. If the super delegates were removed from the equation they would be neck and neck for most of the cycle. She's just now pulling ahead. I wonder how many bern supporters will hit the "R" button instead to avoid killory?
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Post by kutter0311 on Jun 9, 2016 1:48:33 GMT
...did I mention I voted for Obama in 2008? Yup. Totally taken... Don't feel too bad, I voted for him in '12. His major accomplishment has really been setting a new record in Presidential Golf.
He's really been an outstanding politician. Community organizer to 2-term Prez in... What? Less than 20 years?
And now he retires with pay, Secret Service protection, and whatever plunder he's stashed away.
That's some fine politicking.
I wonder how much Hil and Trump have wagered in this next go. Rich fucks like them are always making side bets, right?
Old Boys Network & Casino Consortium 
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Post by Browning35 on Jun 9, 2016 13:08:06 GMT
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Post by scbrian on Jun 10, 2016 0:09:38 GMT
Oh I agree, the local GOP party just had an investigation handed off to SLED. 4 local officials colluded to give a challenger a county job to drop out of the race. Berkeley County Sheriff Duane Lewis wants the State Law Enforcement Division to take over an ethics investigation into four county leaders on allegations they tampered with a campaign. abcnews4.com/news/lowcountry-and-state-politics/berkeley-deputies-turn-over-ethics-investigation-of-4-council-candidates-to-sledMONCKS CORNER, S.C. (WCIV) — Berkeley County Sheriff Duane Lewis wants the State Law Enforcement Division to take over an ethics investigation into four county leaders on allegations they tampered with a campaign. According to a statement from Lewis, he met with Elaine Bennett who is running for one of the county council seats. Bennett told the sheriff she was pressured by Samuel Rivers to drop out of the race in exchange for a position -- the reports says "certain jobs or commissions" -- within the county government once he won. In addition to Rivers, Barnett also named County Supervisor Bill Peagler, Deputy County Supervisor Tim Callanan and Berkeley County Councilman Ken Gunn as people involved in the ethics violation. She was joined by Statehouse candidate Stephen Smith and Donald Bailey, a concerned citizen. Lewis asked SLED to investigate the matter and turned it over to them to handle. |
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Post by Browning35 on Jun 10, 2016 14:26:44 GMT
Yeah, the Republican Party is about as flawed as the Democratic Party. The thing is that the Republican Establishment is very small. As for the people who vote Republican there's a large segment of the people who are basically forced to vote Republican. They're not really Republicans (at least not the establishment variety) they're Conservatives or Populists and in some cases Libertarians or a mixture of all three.
At any rate the thing is that Liberal/Progressives have been successful for two major reasons.
1. They are team players and willing to work together despite minor differences
2. They are not purists and they're willing to accept incrementalism to achieve their goals. With any sort of government you're generally not going to get what you want right off the bat.
The very thing that makes us Conservatives and Libertarians is our individualist mindset, and to some degree that's what is killing us. We are not able to work together. Liberals are good at uniting and working together. Conservatives (notice I'm not using the term Republican which to me represents the establishment organization which seems to want to hold onto power and hold the line rather than wielding power and working for change) and Libertarians don't seem to be able to do that. We both seem to fail in accepting allies who don't hold exactly the same beliefs that they do right down the line.
Would also probably be a good thing if we learned to accept that we will not transition from flawed to perfection in a single step. We must accept incrementalism. For instance we did not go from total infringement on the 2nd Amendment in regards to concealed carry to almost nationwide constitutional carry except for the hardcore blue states. We've made incremental steps despite the steps not necessarily being constitutional or perfect solutions.
For Libertarians and Conservatives there isn't going to be a perfect candidate. I'm sure Trump has his own reasons for running which probably revolve around personal gain and his ego. However at least he's saying things out loud which haven't been said in American politics since the 60's, proposing solutions to those problems and apparently the Democrats, the establishment Republicans and the media are driven nuts by the thought that he might win and that's enough for me to vote for him. There's also the fact that Hillary is likely to win otherwise and to me she's evil incarnate.
I dunno, I can completely see why some Libertarians and Conservatives aren't exactly jazzed by Trump running, but at least he's not the typical bland politician that shy's away from any sort of confrontation for fear of insulting someone. At a few points in this race I wish he'd keep his mouth shut and perhaps say things in a different way, but then again he's not my perfect candidate.
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Post by Browning35 on Aug 7, 2016 13:12:50 GMT
Saw this and thought of this thread. redalertpolitics.com/2016/08/04/gary-johnson-endorses-blacklivesmatter/#TqcXvlhe1kflcJ39.02I guess he's swinging way further left in an attempt to pick up Sanders voters like the article said. To me BLM is beyond the pale, like the 1920's Ku Klux Klan with tentacles in politics, attempts to throw people who oppose them out of work and occasional bursts of violence. I'm not exactly his demographic though, so maybe I think and believe differently than someone who would vote for him. Just can't believe that they have as much support as they do. |
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Post by LowKey on Aug 7, 2016 13:47:12 GMT
Saw this and thought of this thread. redalertpolitics.com/2016/08/04/gary-johnson-endorses-blacklivesmatter/#TqcXvlhe1kflcJ39.02I guess he's swinging way further left in an attempt to pick up Sanders voters like the article said. To me BLM is beyond the pale, like the 1920's Ku Klux Klan with tentacles in politics, attempts to throw people who oppose them out of work and occasional bursts of violence. I'm not exactly his demographic though, so maybe I think and believe differently than someone who would vote for him. Just can't believe that they have as much support as they do. I was on the fence, between voting Libertarian (voting my conscience) and Republican (tactical voting to block Hitlery). Well, Gary pretty much just caused me to hop the fence and vote for the Republicans. Dammit. I'm pretty sure that Trump is going to be a train wreck in office, assuming he wins, but I think the damage that he might do is likely to be far easier to repair later than the damage HRC will do. |
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Post by Browning35 on Aug 7, 2016 13:53:40 GMT
Saw this and thought of this thread. redalertpolitics.com/2016/08/04/gary-johnson-endorses-blacklivesmatter/#TqcXvlhe1kflcJ39.02I guess he's swinging way further left in an attempt to pick up Sanders voters like the article said. To me BLM is beyond the pale, like the 1920's Ku Klux Klan with tentacles in politics, attempts to throw people who oppose them out of work and occasional bursts of violence. I'm not exactly his demographic though, so maybe I think and believe differently than someone who would vote for him. Just can't believe that they have as much support as they do. I was on the fence, between voting Libertarian (voting my conscience) and Republican (tactical voting to block Hitlery). Well, Gary pretty much just caused me to hop the fence and vote for the Republicans. Dammit. I'm pretty sure that Trump is going to be a train wreck in office, assuming he wins, but I think the damage that he might do is likely to be far easier to repair later than the damage HRC will do. I can see why many don't really want to vote for Trump, not like he's doing himself any favors with all the spats he's getting into. It's like you're saying though, he's the lesser of two evils. These sure have been some weird campaigns. |
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Post by kutter0311 on Aug 27, 2016 16:54:18 GMT
I was on the fence, between voting Libertarian (voting my conscience) and Republican (tactical voting to block Hitlery). Well, Gary pretty much just caused me to hop the fence and vote for the Republicans. Dammit. I'm pretty sure that Trump is going to be a train wreck in office, assuming he wins, but I think the damage that he might do is likely to be far easier to repair later than the damage HRC will do. I can see why many don't really want to vote for Trump, not like he's doing himself any favors with all the spats he's getting into. It's like you're saying though, he's the lesser of two evils. These sure have been some weird campaigns. Honestly, it gives credibility to my tinfoil-hat theory that he's taking a dive. I don't want to believe that, but it keep scratching at the base of my skull...
BLM is a fucked up thing, but it is indicative of a systemic problem. Not really the problem they are complaining about, though.
Pretty sure this is a sign of advancement along the creeping-death Socio/Communist Agenda, where the masses you have sustained for years start to get violent, giving the govt cause to 'control' the situation. As with Gage's 'control' methods, these will generally incite more violence, then more 'control' options. Then we spiral into something worse, with those having laid groundwork for this operation having a decided upper hand.
And again, with the timing, it encourages me to think Killary has the whole game rigged. She will be America's Mao, or thinks of herself that way. Look how she dresses...
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Post by LowKey on Aug 27, 2016 19:33:17 GMT
I can see why many don't really want to vote for Trump, not like he's doing himself any favors with all the spats he's getting into. It's like you're saying though, he's the lesser of two evils. These sure have been some weird campaigns. Honestly, it gives credibility to my tinfoil-hat theory that he's taking a dive. I don't want to believe that, but it keep scratching at the base of my skull...
BLM is a fucked up thing, but it is indicative of a systemic problem. Not really the problem they are complaining about, though.
Pretty sure this is a sign of advancement along the creeping-death Socio/Communist Agenda, where the masses you have sustained for years start to get violent, giving the govt cause to 'control' the situation. As with Gage's 'control' methods, these will generally incite more violence, then more 'control' options. Then we spiral into something worse, with those having laid groundwork for this operation having a decided upper hand.
And again, with the timing, it encourages me to think Killary has the whole game rigged. She will be America's Mao, or thinks of herself that way. Look how she dresses...
I assure you, you are not the only one who has had those thoughts and concerns. |
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Post by Browning35 on Aug 28, 2016 14:39:12 GMT
Honestly, it gives credibility to my tinfoil-hat theory that he's taking a dive. I don't want to believe that, but it keep scratching at the base of my skull... I've had that thought several times. There was no way the Dems or Hillary had a shot at winning after all the stuff that they've done. After all these years it was in the bag for the Republicans, well ... Until Trump showed up with behavior that makes Hillary look professional. The vast majority of what he's said is true. He's also saying stuff that a large segment of Americans have wished that politicians would say for years. I mean look at the statement that started it off, the comments over illegal immigration. Out of the entire speech what Mexicans heard was this ... " They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists." The vast majority of Hispanics weren't going to be voting Republican anyway, but the thing is the one word that Mexicans and the fence straddlers heard was ' rapists'. That sealed the deal in that the few Hispanics who would have voted for Trump would definitely stay home now, but most importantly it throws in doubt for those voters on the fence who were leaning toward voting Republican this time because of how badly the Dems and Progressives have fucked things up the last 8 years. It might make the Republican base go wild as at last there's a Republican Presidential candidate who's addressing the problems associated with illegal immigration that no one ever talks about (even though they're true) and they're doing so in a fashion that no regular politician would ever dream of doing, but what everyone else hears after years and years of conditioning is that a White guy is talking about these problems and the mainstream media and the powers that be have always labeled such a person a racist. So I immediately thought that either ... A) Trump has the worst speech writers in the world who failed to at least zap the word ' Rapists' from his speech. B) Trump is such an independent guy that he's over riding his speech writers and political consultants and saying this stuff anyway despite the political and social ramifications because it's the truth and there's a crime and disease wave coming over the border. Or, C) He's a spoiler meant to energize the Republican base by saying stuff they've always thought and whispered during political discussions with their friends and family including the statistics they looked up online, but that he's actually meant to give Hillary a boost when she had no shot at winning before all this. So no, you're not the only one who's thought those things. Kinda why I wanted Cruz, he's a known quantity. |
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Post by redeyes on Aug 28, 2016 18:15:02 GMT
I be votin scrate rethugnican, gettin on dat TRUMP TRAIN to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!!1!! Hey, all it may accomplish is to count as a little tiny F.U. to Hillary, but that is better than sitting at home and crying into my beer.
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