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Post by Browning35 on Jun 5, 2016 14:44:04 GMT
I've always voted Republican.
They generally best represent my views on the issues (Second Amendment, economic policies under some administrations, illegal immigration, foreign policies, response to Islamic terrorism and so on) between the two major parties. I'm not a die-hard Republican though, I think in some ways their party isn't very good at all and in fact in some ways the establishment Republicans kinda suck equally as bad as the Democrats. It's just the lesser of two evils.
However I think it's especially important to vote Republican due to the fact that several US Supreme Court justices with be retiring in the near future.
If Hillary or Sanders gets in you can kiss much of America goodbye.
At any rate that's how I view it. How are you voting and why?
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Post by scbrian on Jun 5, 2016 15:12:57 GMT
I'm probably voting Rep. If not Rep, then libertarian. I identify more as a libertarian than a repub, but voting that way in a national election is like pissing in the wind. I have some serious issues with the local rep party, and I haven't decided if my issues translate into the national level.
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Post by rickoshea on Jun 5, 2016 18:36:35 GMT
LOL. I live in probably the reddest county in my state. Most of our local elections, Sheriff, D.A., judges, county commission, county board of education, and most of the mayors were already elected during the primaries....cause there are no dems running for those positions in the general election.
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Post by kutter0311 on Jun 5, 2016 21:38:07 GMT
In the past, I have generally voted R, because that party supports things I value. Like guns, citizens having guns, etc.
Hil vs Trump... Man, if Libertarians ever had a chance, it's now.
Would you like your president Reddish-Blue, or Blueish-Red? LOL
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Post by dannusmaximus on Jun 6, 2016 14:48:21 GMT
I'm not voting this year. I refuse to hold my nose and vote for the 'lesser of two evils', although I certainly get the impression that's what most people are being forced to do this time around if they do choose to vote. Neither major party represents enough of my views that I can comfortably and consistently vote for one over another. I am pro-gun, pro-union, pro-choice, pro-gay rights, sick of my tax dollars being wasted on welfare bums but pro safety net, pro-police and military (but think we spend way to goddamn much on the military and need to butt out of most world afffairs), think most rich people are probably pricks and tax cheats and Wall Street is out to fuck the working man as hard as possible, pro-environment, anti-affirmative action, pro-animal rights, anti-amnesty for illegals, pro-personal responsibility, think we should be tough on crime to the point that public lashings appeal to me, and nearly 100% anti-religion. Makes it hard to find somebody from either major party to vote for...  |
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Post by scbrian on Jun 6, 2016 17:17:40 GMT
As much as it may pain you. Take a look at the libertarian party's principals (https://www.lp.org/platform) ...
In the order from above:
"We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition."
"We support the right of private employers and employees to choose whether or not to bargain with each other through a labor union. Bargaining should be free of government interference, such as compulsory arbitration or imposing an obligation to bargain."
"Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration."
"Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships."
And I'll let you dig for the rest.
It's always been my contention that there is a very sizeable chunk of Libertarians in both parties. It's just at the national level it's like pissing in the wind to go in and hit the "L" button.
Ohh.. and apparently locally one of our congressmen (SC Congress, not US) is trying to bribe his competitors to drop out of the race. and the local party goes into lockstep mode...
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Post by misterdark on Jun 6, 2016 17:31:30 GMT
As much as it may pain you. Take a look at the libertarian party's principals (https://www.lp.org/platform) ... In the order from above: "We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition." "We support the right of private employers and employees to choose whether or not to bargain with each other through a labor union. Bargaining should be free of government interference, such as compulsory arbitration or imposing an obligation to bargain." "Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration." "Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships." And I'll let you dig for the rest. It's always been my contention that there is a very sizeable chunk of Libertarians in both parties. It's just at the national level it's like pissing in the wind to go in and hit the "L" button. Ohh.. and apparently locally one of our congressmen (SC Congress, not US) is trying to bribe his competitors to drop out of the race. and the local party goes into lockstep mode... Yep. They had me at "Limited Government". I consider myself Fiscally Conservative, Socially moderate. Neither mainstream party fits my preferences, and the GOP has mismanaged itself into a hole it may never dig out from. Although I don't think it is quite the time for them, I am voting the "L" ticket this year. And I do encourage all of ya'll to take a hard look at the Libertarian platform. It makes a lot of sense. |
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Post by scbrian on Jun 6, 2016 19:27:48 GMT
As much as it may pain you. Take a look at the libertarian party's principals (https://www.lp.org/platform) ... In the order from above: "We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition." "We support the right of private employers and employees to choose whether or not to bargain with each other through a labor union. Bargaining should be free of government interference, such as compulsory arbitration or imposing an obligation to bargain." "Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration." "Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships." And I'll let you dig for the rest. It's always been my contention that there is a very sizeable chunk of Libertarians in both parties. It's just at the national level it's like pissing in the wind to go in and hit the "L" button. Ohh.. and apparently locally one of our congressmen (SC Congress, not US) is trying to bribe his competitors to drop out of the race. and the local party goes into lockstep mode... Yep. They had me at "Limited Government". I consider myself Fiscally Conservative, Socially moderate. Neither mainstream party fits my preferences, and the GOP has mismanaged itself into a hole it may never dig out from. Although I don't think it is quite the time for them, I am voting the "L" ticket this year. And I do encourage all of ya'll to take a hard look at the Libertarian platform. It makes a lot of sense. It makes total sense. Just to bad it never makes the debates, etc.  |
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Post by misterdark on Jun 6, 2016 19:48:14 GMT
The machine prefers a 2 choice system. Us or them. 3 choices messes with their well-laid plans. ALL THE MORE REASON to vote L.
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Post by kutter0311 on Jun 7, 2016 5:12:50 GMT
I'm not voting this year. I refuse to hold my nose and vote for the 'lesser of two evils', although I certainly get the impression that's what most people are being forced to do this time around if they do choose to vote. Neither major party represents enough of my views that I can comfortably and consistently vote for one over another. I am pro-gun, pro-union, pro-choice, pro-gay rights, sick of my tax dollars being wasted on welfare bums but pro safety net, pro-police and military (but think we spend way to goddamn much on the military and need to butt out of most world afffairs), think most rich people are probably pricks and tax cheats and Wall Street is out to fuck the working man as hard as possible, pro-environment, anti-affirmative action, pro-animal rights, anti-amnesty for illegals, pro-personal responsibility, think we should be tough on crime to the point that public lashings appeal to me, and nearly 100% anti-religion. Makes it hard to find somebody from either major party to vote for... Dan, seriously. Consider voting Libertarian. There ARE more than the standard 2 shitty choices this year.
I honestly see enough disgust for the frontrunners on each side that L is a viable option. Finally.
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Post by Browning35 on Jun 7, 2016 15:57:31 GMT
www.cnn.com/2016/05/29/politics/libertarian-party-nominee-vote/index.htmlWell, the thing is the Libertarian Party picked Gary Johnson for President and William Weld for the VP spot. Johnson's for open borders, will immediately cut military spending by 43% and he's pro-abortion. William Weld is also for completely open borders, he compared Trump's limits on immigration to the Holocaust (gimme a fucking break, Carter did the same thing with Muslim immigration) and he's an anti-Second Amendment idiot. These are the guys who they believe are for Liberty? No thanks. Seriously, look it up. They also have no shot at winning and will only divide the vote ensuring a victory for Hillary and her freakish policies. I did the whole ' Vote your conscience' thing for my very first time voting with Ross Perot and look what happened, Clinton got in and immediately got the AWB passed. So I'm real leery of splitting the vote, especially with Hillary looming over the whole thing. The consequences would/will be even more disastrous.
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Post by rickoshea on Jun 7, 2016 17:21:02 GMT
I did the whole ' Vote your conscience' thing for my very first time voting with Ross Perot and look what happened, Clinton got in and immediately got the AWB passed. So I'm real leery of splitting the vote, especially with Hillary looming over the whole thing. The consequences would/will be even more disastrous. Glad to hear I wasn't the only one. At nineteen, I was embarrassingly easy to seduce.  |
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Post by Browning35 on Jun 7, 2016 17:44:19 GMT
I did the whole ' Vote your conscience' thing for my very first time voting with Ross Perot and look what happened, Clinton got in and immediately got the AWB passed. So I'm real leery of splitting the vote, especially with Hillary looming over the whole thing. The consequences would/will be even more disastrous. Glad to hear I wasn't the only one. At nineteen, I was embarrassingly easy to seduce. No, you definitely aren't alone. I voted for him because he was the better candidate. He just didn't have much of a shot at getting elected but back then I didn't get that, I was more idealistic. I dunno, I mean I could see voting your conscience now if the two candidates in question were the two men/women up for office who believed in exactly the same things that I do, but I'm not seeing much difference between these two and the Democrats. The two part system sucks. You're generally stuck voting against a candidate rather than for one. However even if the Libertarian candidates up for election were a viable option for me (in this case with these two they totally aren't) we don't have a parliamentary system here in the US though so voting for the 3rd, 4th and 5th party candidates who exactly fit your politics doesn't usually work out so well. |
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Post by kutter0311 on Jun 7, 2016 23:15:07 GMT
There you go, assuming Trump and Hil are different again. Years ago, someone asked him, if he were to run for president, which party he would choose, and why.
He did state Republican, but not because he agreed with 'Republican ideals.'
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Post by Browning35 on Jun 8, 2016 0:05:24 GMT
@kutter
For me it's more that Hillary is a known quantity than Trump. It's not like I believe that he's the cure to all that ails this country, it's too far gone for that and in my opinion he more than likely views it as both a business opportunity and a challenge to get the Presidency.
Either Hillary or Trump will be President. I would prefer that he get it than her.
Voting for someone like Johnson (even if I agreed with him more, which I don't) just gives it to Hillary by default.
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