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Post by Gingerbread Man on Apr 30, 2015 10:02:29 GMT
I heard a new slogan "Hands down, shoot back!" Yeah, good luck with that.
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Post by Browning35 on Apr 30, 2015 19:09:24 GMT
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Post by rickoshea on May 2, 2015 1:31:03 GMT
I'm sure y'all have heard that the 6 officers have been arrested and had everything including the kitchen sink thrown at them....
Now, if they aren't convicted (or are convicted of lesser/minor charges), what's the odds on a Hellmouth opening up right in the middle of Baltimore?
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Post by red on May 2, 2015 1:55:43 GMT
what's the odds on a Hellmouth opening up right in the middle of Baltimore? Pretty good odds. Years ago me and friends(dumb friend was driving) got lost in Baltimore on our way to the aquarium. So he took the next exit there was a car that was recently on fire on blocks along the curb, and other sights that look like a bad area. So if the people do not feel like the officers are punished proper there will be big ol hell mouth open up. |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on May 2, 2015 3:12:57 GMT
I really can't see Murder 2. They set the bar way too high, something happened to that lame ass drug dealer. The truth needs to come out but murder? No. Sorry. Some sort of administrative negligence? Sure, but prison for doing their jobs? I'm not with that at all. If they took him out back and pumped rds into his head, ok but for not seat belting him in when he's being combative? Not to me.
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Post by rickoshea on May 2, 2015 3:34:52 GMT
As I understand it, that State Attorney lady that indicted the LEOs is married to the Baltimore city councilman whose district got torn up. I'm not saying that had any bearing on the charges, but it is an interesting little tidbit.
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Post by Browning35 on May 2, 2015 13:15:45 GMT
I really can't see Murder 2. They set the bar way too high, something happened to that lame ass drug dealer. The truth needs to come out but murder? No. Sorry. Some sort of administrative negligence? Sure, but prison for doing their jobs? I'm not with that at all. If they took him out back and pumped rds into his head, ok but for not seat belting him in when he's being combative? Not to me. Yeah, they're going to end up having to reduce the charges. That's the problem with politically motivated trials, they don't hold up in court.  |
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Post by LowKey on May 2, 2015 13:59:49 GMT
I'd humbly suggest that LEOs resign and looks for positions im departments eleswhere if/when this type of political bs hits the fan.
Who in their right mind is going to accept all the other issues that go with being a cop and then on top of it all swallow the risk of being made into a scapegoat/sacrificial lamb to appease the mobs anytime they get angry?
Investigate? Sure. Charge if appropriate. But 2nd degree murder... YGTBFKM.
The charges are pure politics and mob appeasement.
LEOs in Baltimore (and any other municipality that pulls this shit) should list their homes, resign, and move themselves and their families out of what is apparently a cesspit.
Leave the city and it's residents to the future they so richly deserve and desire.... One of mob rule, one that doesn't respect the rights of individuals who aren't in their group. One where people define "justice" as an instant verdict of guilty without any deliberation or consideration of the facts..... One where blind hate and raw emotion replace fairness and impartiality. One where the rule of law has been replaced by the rule of men... angry, biggotted, irrational men.
Odd, I don't recall these types of protest in Detroit.... a city with just as much (if not more of) a reputation for police use of force against blacks than Baltimore. Maybe it has something to do with Detroit's police force being overwhelmingly black.... no chance to stir up racial comflict there.
Oh, and before I end this rant: I bet dollars to doughnuts that the upsurge in media attention and protests for incidents such as we've seen in the last year or so are politically planned to provide a cause for the next liberal candidate for the big white home to ride to victory on a sea of hope and change voters who never seem to wake up to how they've been manipulated for generations.
If you're in LE, get out. Our society is busy proving that they'll condem you and happily sacrifice you to placate the mob. It's not worth it anymore...let them have what they deserve, just pull out and back off to watch it burn.
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Post by dannusmaximus on May 2, 2015 15:52:47 GMT
If you're in LE, get out. Our society is busy proving that they'll condem you and happily sacrifice you to placate the mob. It's not worth it anymore...let them have what they deserve, just pull out and back off to watch it burn. The bride and I are having very serious discussions about just such things. Our 'burg isn't the hotbed of racial tension that major urban areas are, but it's slums are getting slummier. Add to that the seemingly limitless burdens and unrealistic expectations being dumped on our local cops (they already are de facto case workers, mental health specialists, babysitters, PR agents and other such things, now they are being issued medical supplies to help with OD cases...all of which is filmed with body cameras [which, btw, brass is now reviewing and handing out suspensions for officers that aren't being 'friendly' enough, even if there was never a complaint filed by the citizen in question]), and I only hope she can do another 10 years in one mental/physical/emotional piece so she can collect a bit of a pension out of it. She can turn in that badge any time she wants, though. I've made that abundantly clear on my end. We'll make do with the pay cut, I would much rather have her happy and healthy then have a little fatter bank account. Is it bad that I breathed a huge sigh of relief when I saw that 3 of the 6 officers involved in the Baltimore case were black? |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on May 2, 2015 16:25:10 GMT
I really can't see Murder 2. They set the bar way too high, something happened to that lame ass drug dealer. The truth needs to come out but murder? No. Sorry. Some sort of administrative negligence? Sure, but prison for doing their jobs? I'm not with that at all. If they took him out back and pumped rds into his head, ok but for not seat belting him in when he's being combative? Not to me. Yeah, they're going to end up having to reduce the charges. That's the problem with politically motivated trials, they don't hold up in court. I'm going to say the Founding Fathers realized this and intentionally designed our legal system so that politically motivated charges wouldn't stand a chance. I bet there are more than a few cops in BMore that are currently applying with other forces. There was a face book post by one officer stating all the reasons he's leaving and why he just doesn't care anymore about the people he's protecting. Basically, they're scum, they're parents do not care and they hate the police. I feel him. And no, I don't think it's bad that you breathed a sign of relief, Dannus. I did. Because they're trying to paint a picture of evil white cops when it's not at all true. THEY'RE ALL EVIL! J/K, but you know, damn. Cops are just every day folks who care about the people they're trying to help. |
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Post by dannusmaximus on May 2, 2015 16:40:25 GMT
Yeah, they're going to end up having to reduce the charges. That's the problem with politically motivated trials, they don't hold up in court. Usually. The problem is, of course, that some of them are racist, sexist, violent, no good power-tripping assholes. Same as with any profession, it's just that violent, racist, power-tripping plumbers or accountants don't generally get the chance to kill or knock the shit out of people as a course of their daily duties... |
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Post by MrEMonkey on May 2, 2015 17:07:05 GMT
I find the burning down of the senior center a classy touch. Well, a proper riot isn't just stealing Nikes and toilet paper, you know.  |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on May 2, 2015 17:52:25 GMT
Cops are just every day folks who care about the people they're trying to help. Usually. The problem is, of course, that some of them are racist, sexist, violent, no good power-tripping assholes. Same as with any profession, it's just that violent, racist, power-tripping plumbers or accountants don't generally get the chance to kill or knock the shit out of people as a course of their daily duties... True. I have some at the IRS that are like that. I think that's humans in general, the exact same thing can be said about the protestors but having to deal with 5% (just a guess) of a police force that are that way is way better than no police force or having to deal with a random population of unsuppressed racist, violent assholes. Nothing is perfect. Nothing. The trick is good management. Generally, I think the police do a great job. I'm not arguing, just saying. |
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Post by LowKey on May 2, 2015 18:23:54 GMT
Usually. The problem is, of course, that some of them are racist, sexist, violent, no good power-tripping assholes. Same as with any profession, it's just that violent, racist, power-tripping plumbers or accountants don't generally get the chance to kill or knock the shit out of people as a course of their daily duties... True. I have some at the IRS that are like that. I think that's humans in general, the exact same thing can be said about the protestors but having to deal with 5% (just a guess) of a police force that are that way is way better than no police force or having to deal with a random population of unsuppressed racist, violent assholes. Nothing is perfect. Nothing. The trick is good management. Generally, I think the police do a great job. I'm not arguing, just saying. I agree. Dannus and I have a history of debating police powers, malfeasance, ect. I'm 100% certain he know I think the majority of cops are good guys/gals, we just debate how best o empower them enough to be effective yet not to become oppressive...and both of us (I think) understand we're debating over very minute degrees. Long and short of it, Dannus and I are a damn good ethics committee for cops. Neither ne of us want s to see cops get away with bad stuff, and neither one of us wants to see them crucified for actions done in good faith. I think your assessment hits the nail right on the head. |
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Post by dannusmaximus on May 2, 2015 22:06:07 GMT
Amen to both of you, Lowkey and GBM.
I would love nothing more than to PERSONALLY be able to lay down a righteous punishment on the LE outliers who abuse their power and the public, making my wife more of a target and making her already difficult job even more so.
I would also love nothing more than for the folks screaming racism to have to walk a mile in my wife's shoes, to see exactly how awful the average cop gets treated by the public, and what dangerous, worthless pieces of shit the 'good boys' and 'gentle giants' beatified by the media actually are.
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