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Post by Browning35 on Nov 18, 2015 15:48:08 GMT
.300 Blk vs Level II / Result : Zipped through
.300 Blk with 220 gr. SMK subs vs Level III : Stopped it
.300 Blk 110 gr. Barnes VOR-TX vs. Level IIIA Body Armor / Passed through - 16" inches into gel after the panel
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I'd like another AR, but my hoard is starting to get ridiculous in number. I'm kinda better off consolidating calibers/platforms, buying more ammo, taking classes, and then breaking down and finally starting the NFA process and the like.
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Post by LowKey on Nov 18, 2015 15:58:21 GMT
300 vs IIIA or hard 3/4? Supers would eat through a soft vest but unless you can drive it faster than 2800fps (7.62x51 MV) it wont even dent a hard plate regardless of barrel length. IIRC 300 subs are around .45 auto velocity/energy and IMO may even be stopped by a IIA vest. Hmm. Maybe one of these?   |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 20, 2015 12:10:16 GMT
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Post by LowKey on Nov 20, 2015 13:45:17 GMT
Odd, I'd say the answer to the question above is that they read the book and swallowed it all, hook line and sinker, and are slavishly obeying it's dictates.
It has all the earmarkings of a cult grown to mammoth scale, including the brainwashing and indoctinational technique of having adherents repeatedly recite dogma 5 times a day, as well as forbidding anyone to question that dogma.
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Post by misterdark on Nov 20, 2015 15:28:51 GMT
We are all a product of our environment and teaching. If I was never introduced to music, I would never know I wanted to be a musician. On a far grander scale, devout muslims in places like Afganistan, Iran, Syria etc are never introduced to any concept OTHER than the Koran. While each child may have an innate skill or desire, the constant indoctrination makes sure that they are pressed into a very narrow mindset before they are even 10 years old. They have no choice but to look at the world through the lens of Mohammed.
I am not saying we should all go and cuddle the poor bastards because they are so "misunderstood" or something. I'm saying they hate the west because their minds are closed to any possibility otherwise. And it is impossible to re-train that.
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Post by LowKey on Nov 20, 2015 18:07:54 GMT
I am not saying we should all go and cuddle the poor bastards because they are so "misunderstood" or something. I'm saying they hate the west because their minds are closed to any possibility otherwise. And it is impossible to re-train that. Hmmm....not impossible, just not possible without MASSIVE counter-indoctrination that is just as much brainwashing as what they revived the first time around, just in the other direction. Doing by force/against their will, IMHO, would be more of a violation of "Human Rights" than killing them. So while possible in a theoretical sense, it's not in a realistic sense. This is one of the <many> things the left won't accept. |
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Post by misterdark on Nov 20, 2015 18:35:53 GMT
And if you miss just ONE mullah or radical "prophet", they can all fall back to the previous state in a moment.
Nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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Post by LowKey on Nov 20, 2015 18:43:37 GMT
And if you miss just ONE mullah or radical "prophet", they can all fall back to the previous state in a moment. Nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. I'm not arguing. At All. I'll even volunteer to be FO. |
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 22, 2015 1:21:20 GMT
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Post by misterdark on Nov 28, 2015 3:22:11 GMT
Plate carrier....unless you're planning on duct tape to hold it in place while your SO covers you as you assault out in your tactical response golf cart.  Joking aside, plate carrier if you've already got the plates, but I'd leave it in a "Go" bag in the car except on very hinky days. And might I suggest a long arm stashed with the plate carrier? Something for the hive mind: While soft body armor isn't effective at stopping rifle rounds, any data on if it reduces the penetration and injury of 7.62x39 rounds to any extent? Thoughts being that soft body armor is a lot more likely to be worn, and partial protection would beat no protection as someone beat feet out of the area or towards a stored plate carrier. Well, I do have two Nashville area phonebooks, duct taped to the insides of the backpack.  For me, it has to be extremely low profile, and able to be carried back and forth. A lot. I might put a rifle kit in the trunk of the car, but this bag is right at my feet. I could be wrong, but I doubt an attacker will give me a "time out" to run to the car and don a vest. Like I said, I could be wrong. I doubt the folks at the Bataclan concert hall felt anything was "hinky" that night. Not trying to flame ya, but if I have it, I need to have it RIGHT HERE, you know? I wonder if a low-pro PC would fit in a small backpack? It would certainly be better than a single plate in a pack, fo sho. And this may finally be the time to get a stamp and SBR a rifle. Ugh, can someone lend me their crystal ball? As for pistol grade armor vs rifle rounds, I feel anything is better than nothing. As the round travels through any material, it loses energy. Not much, but every little bit of velocity lost before it gets to my squishy parts is a step in the right direction. I am too tired to look it up, I am sure there is a youtube video discussing this very thing. And even level II will protect against shrapnel and spalling. Not trying to revive the thread, and I should probably just start a new one. But I discovered today that a loaded up Grey Ghost PC fits nicely in a kelty daypack, with plenty of room for a folded up pcc. Just tossin' that out there. (I still want an ar or ak pistol. One thing at a time, I suppose. Maybe Santa can help... |
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Post by omegaman on Nov 28, 2015 3:47:45 GMT
I think the good 'ol keltec pcc is often overlooked as a viable pdw choice, especially if you are rocking mag commonality with a ccw pistol. Extended reach and accuracy to help you get off the "x" and it's affordable enough to stash and forget. While I can't argue the superior ballistics of .300, 5.7, and 5.56 sbr's, suppressive fire is still effective fire to remove yourself from a 2-way range.
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Post by misterdark on Nov 28, 2015 5:29:55 GMT
Hi OM. Yea, I will be saving up for something with a little more kick. But for now, +P 124 grain JHP at 1600 fps give or take, will have to do. Useless against level 3 armor, but would at least sting real bad against anything soft. Or I could just aim for the parts not covered by a vest...
My biggest concern about another rifle is size. In this particular Active Shooter setup, it has to fit in a daypack, which severely limits my choices. I am open to further suggestions.
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Post by as556 on Nov 28, 2015 13:39:37 GMT
Consider an 8" .300blk AR pistol with a LAW folder and a 20rd mag and iron sights. Not gonna get much more compact than that. PSA has uppers that fit the bill for around $200. A pistol lower can be had for not much over $100.
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Post by misterdark on Nov 28, 2015 15:02:06 GMT
Consider an 8" .300blk AR pistol with a LAW folder and a 20rd mag and iron sights. Not gonna get much more compact than that. PSA has uppers that fit the bill for around $200. A pistol lower can be had for not much over $100. Interesting! I had not seen that. Thanks! |
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Post by rickoshea on Dec 4, 2015 16:21:37 GMT
Hungary: Paris Fugitive Recruited Men Amid Budapest Migrants
abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/official-belgium-arrests-suspects-35550252Salah Abdeslam, a fugitive suspected in the deadly attacks in Paris, was at the main Budapest train station before mid-September and left with men who had been traveling amid a wave of asylum-seekers trying to enter Europe, Hungarian officials said Thursday....
Janos Lazar, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban's chief of staff, said at a news conference Thursday that the Hungarian secret services had confirmed information about Abdeslam's travels they had received from foreign agencies. He said the secret services did not have this information at the time of the Nov. 13 Paris attacks nor as the Budapest train station became a hotspot last summer during Europe's migrant crisis.....
According to Lazar, the Paris fugitive was at the Keleti Railway terminal in Budapest, where he recruited young men who were refusing to register with Hungarian authorities, and later left the country with them. He said he was confirming press accounts, which had reported that Abdeslam left with two men. Lazar did not give a specific date when Abdeslam was seen.
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