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Post by LowKey on Nov 17, 2015 14:26:42 GMT
So you're saying a bounding retreat with suppressive fire? I like where your head is. Correct, and melodrama aside, going all hasty defense bunkering at a choke point and playing Horatius at the Bridge if need be to get them clear. |
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Post by LowKey on Nov 17, 2015 14:35:53 GMT
Reading the news these days: Paris, refugees into the US, lack of real action from .gov, "Hands up Don't Shoot", Ferguson, Baltimore, even Occupy Wall Street ........ Why does the old Billy Joel song Miami 2017 keep running through my head? |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 17, 2015 15:42:26 GMT
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Post by dannusmaximus on Nov 17, 2015 16:50:59 GMT
Epic reload at 6:25... Why are they using SBR's, though? DocFab says ineffective!  |
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Post by LowKey on Nov 17, 2015 20:23:40 GMT
Stadium evacuations in Hanover, Germany. Ambulance packed with explosives found outside.
This may not be the week to be attending any big gatherings....
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Latest updates saying no explosives.....
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Post by misterdark on Nov 18, 2015 2:57:02 GMT
Debating keeping my plate carrier and AR pistol in a duffel bag in the trunk. War is upon us. It certainly seems like those guys want to play. I am carrying my "laptop bag" in to work with me lately, especially on Wednesday and Sunday (I work in a Church, btw) - in it, I have a fairly complete blowout kit / FAK, several spare mags for my G19 or 26 (depending on what the weather is like, I switch back n forth), and a Level IIIa flat backpack plate . I also carry some of the gadgets I use day-to-day when trying doing maintenance on all the gear. (multimeter, small toolset, soldering iron, and the like) And sometimes even a laptop. Seriously thinking of upgrading that plate to something better. Or maybe I should invest in a plate carrier. The problem, however, with anything not actually worn or carried at all times is that, in an attack like this, you may not have time to don armor, or put the rifle together, or anything. It will be "Boom! react in 3, 2, 1..." I have my pistol and one spare mag on me at all times, so I know I have that. The armor plate is just a feel-good thing, I suspect. Decisions, decisions... |
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Post by LowKey on Nov 18, 2015 4:46:05 GMT
Debating keeping my plate carrier and AR pistol in a duffel bag in the trunk. War is upon us. It certainly seems like those guys want to play. I am carrying my "laptop bag" in to work with me lately, especially on Wednesday and Sunday (I work in a Church, btw) - in it, I have a fairly complete blowout kit / FAK, several spare mags for my G19 or 26 (depending on what the weather is like, I switch back n forth), and a Level IIIa plate . I also carry some of the gadgets I use day-to-day when trying doing maintenance on all the gear. (multimeter, small toolset, soldering iron, and the like) And sometimes even a laptop. Seriously thinking of upgrading that plate to something better. Or maybe I should invest in a plate carrier. The problem, however, with anything not actually worn or carried at all times is that, in an attack like this, you may not have time to don armor, or put the rifle together, or anything. It will be "Boom! react in 3, 2, 1..." I have my pistol and one spare mag on me at all times, so I know I have that. The armor plate is just a feel-good thing, I suspect. Decisions, decisions... Plate carrier....unless you're planning on duct tape to hold it in place while your SO covers you as you assault out in your tactical response golf cart.  Joking aside, plate carrier if you've already got the plates, but I'd leave it in a "Go" bag in the car except on very hinky days. And might I suggest a long arm stashed with the plate carrier? Something for the hive mind: While soft body armor isn't effective at stopping rifle rounds, any data on if it reduces the penetration and injury of 7.62x39 rounds to any extent? Thoughts being that soft body armor is a lot more likely to be worn, and partial protection would beat no protection as someone beat feet out of the area or towards a stored plate carrier. |
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Post by misterdark on Nov 18, 2015 5:04:50 GMT
It certainly seems like those guys want to play. I am carrying my "laptop bag" in to work with me lately, especially on Wednesday and Sunday (I work in a Church, btw) - in it, I have a fairly complete blowout kit / FAK, several spare mags for my G19 or 26 (depending on what the weather is like, I switch back n forth), and a Level IIIa plate . I also carry some of the gadgets I use day-to-day when trying doing maintenance on all the gear. (multimeter, small toolset, soldering iron, and the like) And sometimes even a laptop. Seriously thinking of upgrading that plate to something better. Or maybe I should invest in a plate carrier. The problem, however, with anything not actually worn or carried at all times is that, in an attack like this, you may not have time to don armor, or put the rifle together, or anything. It will be "Boom! react in 3, 2, 1..." I have my pistol and one spare mag on me at all times, so I know I have that. The armor plate is just a feel-good thing, I suspect. Decisions, decisions... Plate carrier....unless you're planning on duct tape to hold it in place while your SO covers you as you assault out in your tactical response golf cart. Joking aside, plate carrier if you've already got the plates, but I'd leave it in a "Go" bag in the car except on very hinky days. And might I suggest a long arm stashed with the plate carrier? Something for the hive mind: While soft body armor isn't effective at stopping rifle rounds, any data on if it reduces the penetration and injury of 7.62x39 rounds to any extent? Thoughts being that soft body armor is a lot more likely to be worn, and partial protection would beat no protection as someone beat feet out of the area or towards a stored plate carrier. Well, I do have two Nashville area phonebooks, duct taped to the insides of the backpack. For me, it has to be extremely low profile, and able to be carried back and forth. A lot. I might put a rifle kit in the trunk of the car, but this bag is right at my feet. I could be wrong, but I doubt an attacker will give me a "time out" to run to the car and don a vest. Like I said, I could be wrong. I doubt the folks at the Bataclan concert hall felt anything was "hinky" that night. Not trying to flame ya, but if I have it, I need to have it RIGHT HERE, you know? I wonder if a low-pro PC would fit in a small backpack? It would certainly be better than a single plate in a pack, fo sho. And this may finally be the time to get a stamp and SBR a rifle. Ugh, can someone lend me their crystal ball? As for pistol grade armor vs rifle rounds, I feel anything is better than nothing. As the round travels through any material, it loses energy. Not much, but every little bit of velocity lost before it gets to my squishy parts is a step in the right direction. I am too tired to look it up, I am sure there is a youtube video discussing this very thing. And even level II will protect against shrapnel and spalling. |
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Post by LowKey on Nov 18, 2015 5:44:43 GMT
For me, it has to be extremely low profile, and able to be carried back and forth. A lot. I might put a rifle kit in the trunk of the car, but this bag is right at my feet. I could be wrong, but I doubt an attacker will give me a "time out" to run to the car and don a vest. Like I said, I could be wrong. I doubt the folks at the Bataclan concert hall felt anything was "hinky" that night. Not trying to flame ya, but if I have it, I need to have it RIGHT HERE, you know? I wonder if a low-pro PC would fit in a small backpack? It would certainly be better than a single plate in a pack, fo sho. And this may finally be the time to get a stamp and SBR a rifle. Ugh, can someone lend me their crystal ball? As for pistol grade armor vs rifle rounds, I feel anything is better than nothing. As the round travels through any material, it loses energy. Not much, but every little bit of velocity lost before it gets to my squishy parts is a step in the right direction. I am too tired to look it up, I am sure there is a youtube video discussing this very thing. And even level II will protect against shrapnel and spalling. Didn't seem like flaming to me  Your right that you're not likely to get a "time out" to let you up-armor, and doubtful that the majority of folks on the recieving end of the attacks felt anything hinky that night. What I meant was that you leave it in the trunk of your car and only carry it indoors with you during periods of heightened concern for terrorist attacks. After all, not likely your church would be hit by a squad of bad guys on a Thursday morning when you're fixing the wiring and the only one else on site is the pastor. Christmas and it's packed to the rafters? Sure, schelp it in with you. Hosting a screening of "From Mao to Mohammed: Famous Pedophiles of the World, " screening....pack it in, put it on, and stick a drum mag in your trunk gun.  If you want to tote it in the laptop case, get the plate carrier and pick up some of those spendy plastic plates. |
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Post by LowKey on Nov 18, 2015 5:53:36 GMT
Wonder if its ordinary burglars. During the late 60's, 70's and 80's the Irish mob on the east coast hit a bunch of National Guard armories and sold the weapons to the IRA. They ended up with several M60's and a shitload of M-16's and this group headed up by George Harrison shipped them out. - On the gun storage in/on the truck I have a bolt on toolbox, But it's one of those ones where you have to climb into the bed of the truck each time to access it. I want to get one of those pistol safes that reside in the center console. Oh...trunk gun for about $410? Upper: linkLower: link |
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Post by as556 on Nov 18, 2015 8:23:23 GMT
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 18, 2015 14:54:43 GMT
Oh...trunk gun for about $410? Upper: linkLower: linkThat's hella cheap for an AR pistol. Unfortunately I'm finishing up an 18" AR and then I bought 1200 rds of 9mm and saved the rest for tuition for my next pistol class. I need want another AR pistol though. |
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Post by misterdark on Nov 18, 2015 15:01:26 GMT
Well thats just great. Thanks to you guys, now I have to come up with $630 to buy new stuff I really REALLY want. Argh.
...the mortgage can wait.
But seriously, great advice.
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Post by LowKey on Nov 18, 2015 15:19:53 GMT
Oh...trunk gun for about $410? Upper: linkLower: linkThat's hella cheap for an AR pistol. Unfortunately I'm finishing up an 18" AR and then I bought 1200 rds of 9mm and saved the rest for tuition for my next pistol class. I need want another AR pistol though.FTFY. It should go without saying I lean in favor of the .300 BO flavored ones*, but 5.56 works just dandy as well. Pick ammo suitable for Jihadis running amok. I'd say engagements within 300m**, may be wearing body armor....may be wearing SVEST. Maybe mixing ammo in the mags? Put good optics on it with low mag....you may have to try and do the head shot thing if they're wearing body armor OR if you wan to avoid detonating possible SVESTs. *Odd thought.....any data out there on .300BO vs body armor? Particularly out of SBR/Pistol length barrels? **thats allowing for the oddball chance that you might need to make them keep THEIR heads down while you move across open terrain. Think wide highway medians, large parks, ect. |
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Post by as556 on Nov 18, 2015 15:30:27 GMT
300 vs IIIA or hard 3/4? Supers would eat through a soft vest but unless you can drive it faster than 2800fps (7.62x51 MV) it wont even dent a hard plate regardless of barrel length. IIRC 300 subs are around .45 auto velocity/energy and IMO may even be stopped by a IIA vest.
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