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Post by Gingerbread Man on Oct 25, 2014 15:15:05 GMT
Pretty epic.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Oct 28, 2014 12:18:29 GMT
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Post by redeyes on Oct 28, 2014 14:38:03 GMT
That first vid. Pretty cool. Reliable headshots at 200 yards with a sling though? I believe a guy that had been training alot could pull off some sweet shots. 200 yards is see to believe for me. Nice to see spears and slings get some lovin. Arrows get all the attention, but a sling was pretty sweet for a weapon you could fit in a pocket and pick up your ammo off the ground. No hate. If you find a vid of that dude hitting a flower pot a couple times at 200 yards I will eat my words. 2nd vid looked like fun. I am too inexperienced to really know what is going on. That instructor looked like he could take on his partner without a stick and win.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Oct 28, 2014 15:08:57 GMT
Found one guy hitting a large target at 100m. Seems to me it could be done but I bet it's more of a volley weapon than direct fire.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Oct 28, 2014 17:40:27 GMT
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Post by homerj on Oct 28, 2014 18:25:12 GMT
It still blows my mind how people can be so accurate they can hunt with a sling, massed volleys of slingers hurling thousands of stones on your head is impressive enough but pin point accuracy is really impressive.
May be a fun new hobby to pick up once the next gun/ammo shortage hits.
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Post by NamelessStain on Oct 29, 2014 11:13:13 GMT
It still blows my mind how people can be so accurate they can hunt with a sling, massed volleys of slingers hurling thousands of stones on your head is impressive enough but pin point accuracy is really impressive. May be a fun new hobby to pick up once the next gun/ammo shortage hits. Volleys of stones were done at longer ranges since accuracy is more short ranged. I always thought it would be cool to master a sling at under 30 yards as a backup plan.
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Post by redeyes on Nov 2, 2014 2:30:48 GMT
I have been doing some research on slings. They were big in ancient times. Seemed like their best uses were defending fortifications, skirmishing, and sometimes screening infantry from cavalry. Lead acorns or glandes plubeae were the sling projectile of choice for the Romans and others. Stones and a type of dense baked clay was also used. Some sources say the clay bullets were supposed to be heated red hot before slinging. I dunno if that is true. Facts about range, accuracy, and lethality are hard to come by. Some sources seem to ascribe superpowers to ancient warriors.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 2, 2014 2:34:24 GMT
Sounds like we REALLY need to do some sling testing...huh, yeah...you down?
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Post by redeyes on Nov 2, 2014 5:27:48 GMT
You know I am down. Problem is we don't have any dudes that have been training with a sling since they could walk. Or any bronze armor. I don't believe even those dudes could reliably make 200 meter headshots. Maybe 100 meter headshots I could believe. Many sources state 400 meters as a max range. I dunno about that. Maybe they could sling a couple ounce chunk of lead that far, I would like to see someone do it though. According to those sources the main advantages of the sling was that it could outrange the bows of the day and use a variety of ammunition. I have no trouble believing that. Lethality claims are all over the place. I think it could be pretty nasty against someone unarmored or hit in an unarmored spot. Against a flexible armor it could probably break ribs or collarbones. Against rigid armor I don't think it would be particularly effective. Might be able to give someone a concussion if you hit them in the helmet, depending on the helmet. I don't think it would do anything against a shield.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 2, 2014 14:34:48 GMT
Unarmored would be brutal, I really think getting hit with rocks/lead going 25 mph (I don't know how fast they go, just as guess) would suck balls. The Israelis have special protection on vehicle to counter rocks. I think they could break bones in hands and feet, ribs and easily crack a skull. I doubt the lethality, entirely, or that it's consistently lethal. A sweet shot could be but I doubt it would be repeatable. I think this is more of a ad hoc missile weapon and more likely a hunting weapon pressed into service. I believe it was used in area attacks, area denial, indirect and direct harassing fire. I believe it was used to make people take cover and put their shields up. Having to dodge a bunch of rocks being whipped at you seriously would restrict and limit movement. I don't believe there is any doubt that even in armor the person would have to attempt to dodge the rocks, I can't see it being pleasant. For people today I believe it would be a better hunting weapon than a fighting. Maybe a low tech harassing weapon because that's how it's employed in the middle east to pretty good affect. One on one, I could see it being used to keep someone at a distance but abow would be far superior. Then again, a bow is a little harder to conceal.
I still wanna try it dough.
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 2, 2014 15:53:57 GMT
I knew wrist rocket type slingshots were standard armament for pretty much every type of rioter you ever saw. Anarchist, Muslim, Ukrainian rebel, occupy Wall Street, fascist, you name it. Didn't know about those catapult ancient slings though. So I looked it up. Appears that they're still used in the Middle East and Asia quite a bit and that Palestinians and Israeli settlers use it in some low tech harassing warfare against each other. Doesn't look like it's particularly accurate even in the hands of adults, just more like ' Oh shit that was close<as a high speed object goes flying by> better move' type of weapon with someone occasionally getting nailed with it and injured where it justifies it's use as a weapon. Afghan shepherd boys that use it as a weapon to protect their flock. A rifle would make them mistaken as a combatant. On a personal note my grandmother actually made me one when I was 6 or 7 as part of the David and Goliath Bible stories she was reading to me (she was cool like that). I remember being able to hit the back fence with it using marbles or stream rocks, but I couldn't say where on the fence I'd hit it and be able to call my shots. I lost interest in it and rediscovered in it a few years later at 9 or 10, broke something with it and got it confiscated. Found it in a box full of stuff when my grandmother died and it's in a box in the garage somewhere. She wove it together out of some brightly colored Paracord type cord that she got from Cornet. I should probably find that thing and stick it in the house. I still have a wrist rocket that I had as a kid too that was always getting confiscated that I still have and periodically get interested in and shoot in the backyard.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 2, 2014 17:52:32 GMT
I'm not defending or advocating this opposed to a Glock 19 however, this guy gets one in there. Seems it's more of having an exact or very similar weight, same force and release.
This young pup is wacking it.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 2, 2014 17:56:48 GMT
Best pumpkin kill: Ghillie suit knife attack. Epic.
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 2, 2014 18:40:15 GMT
It's more the user.
The guy in the backyard or a league of sorts who practices semi-obsessively for fun is going to be a lot better with one than the guy who doesn't practice as much and who only practices a few times before slinging rocks at Israeli troops for Hamas or Palestinian villagers for the Kach Party.
I know I'm being Capt. Obvious with this one but most people have thrown rocks enough in their lives to hit someone with one. Not so much with a catapult sling, even in that part of the world.
The guys using them in the videos I posted are more like the sling versions of the drive-by shooters and liquor store robbers of the gun world and the ones you posted are IDPA version. Further down the pipeline on expertise.
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