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Post by nxp on Feb 7, 2015 14:21:06 GMT
NXP goes gym hopping -
Went and tried some BJJ ala Master Redeyes and got my rear end smoked proper. Tons of fun. Trying to figure out how I can work it into my impossible schedule. So. Much. Fun.
Got invited to a gym with a buddy from work who basically stole the membership for the year on black Friday, and holy cow what a nice little gym. Probably the cleanest gym I've ever been to - equipment was meticulously maintained, really nice selection of freeweights/machines, the members were nice, and did I mention clean? We were there for a little over an hour with maybe 10 people total in the gym at prime time and we never had to wait for iron or machines - just station after station, rep after rep until my muscles were jello.
Speaking of, I'm pretty much useless today.
Suddenly the White Devil doesn't look so bad. What is wrong with me?!
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Post by dannusmaximus on Feb 7, 2015 16:02:25 GMT
Went from 155lbs with 15 reps, then 175 for 12, 195 @ 8, then 215 for 6, then 235 for 5, then 255 for 3 chest press. 25 incline push ups. 30 chin ups. then I demoed firemans carry and carried ever guy in the class once for 25m. That's 6 guys. Roar. I defy any mortal to be able to do the demonstrated technique with a person who is truly dead weight and weighs over 50 pounds. If they can help get themselves up, maybe. If a person is truly dead/unconscious, grab an arm(s) or leg(s) or piece of clothing and drag them. I like fireman's carry for group workouts, but nothing else. It's not a viable, real-world technique for rescue (in my humble opinion). GBM, your fitness progress is notable, to say the least! |
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Post by redeyes on Feb 7, 2015 16:58:08 GMT
#14 Today's class was pretty fast paced and I was sleep deprived and didn't know most of the moves. So I sucked and I am still a little confused. It was supposed to be a review I think. I have been sick, so instead of me reviewing I was trying to learn.  Whatever, was fun and I was able to escape the back position when we rolled, so I guess I learned something. I am not gonna try to list all the moves, but the two that stood out were the rear naked choke (which has more involved in it than what you see in movies and stuff) and the escape from the back control. |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Feb 7, 2015 17:27:15 GMT
I defy any mortal to be able to do the demonstrated technique with a person who is truly dead weight and weighs over 50 pounds. If they can help get themselves up, maybe. If a person is truly dead/unconscious, grab an arm(s) or leg(s) or piece of clothing and drag them. I like fireman's carry for group workouts, but nothing else. It's not a viable, real-world technique for rescue (in my humble opinion). GBM, your fitness progress is notable, to say the least! I agree, they have to be somewhat awake and able for the fireman's carry. I also taught them the "under armed behind that back" drag which is the one I told them to use. Because you ain't lifting dead weight. The underarmed drag is you lift the person up into a somewhat seated position while bracing them on your knee. Slip both arms under their, clasp your hands and drag them with their feet on the ground. It's about like carrying 1/3 of their weight which is doable. I'm going to teach them the leg drag too, which is even easier. My cardio sucks though. Well, doesn't suck that bad because I held mits for 5 kids for 30 minutes straight. But it still sucks. |
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Post by dannusmaximus on Feb 7, 2015 23:10:10 GMT
Underarm drag for the win.
Had our department physicals a few days ago. According to the official charts, I'm obese and pre-hypertensive. I'm 6' 1", 220 pounds, BP was 128/78. Fitness lady told me I needed to do more cardio and get my weight down. The day before I had run 4 miles in about 30 minutes after lifting weights at the station, and the day before THAT we had done our annual water rescue team requalifications (includes a 500 m timed swim and an 800 m timed swim with mask and fins, as well as a 15 minute water tread and various other shenanigans).
Funny. I don't FEEL obese...
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Feb 8, 2015 3:10:44 GMT
The fat VA docs constantly say I'm overweight, like morbidly obese. I can't find a single person who says I'm fat or morbidly so. That stuff doesn't account for muscle mass in weight. Give me dexa or fuck off.
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Post by LowKey on Feb 8, 2015 13:09:17 GMT
BMI was intended for use as an indicator for physicians to look for certain health problems/conditions. In and of itself it means absolutely nothing.
Zip. Nada. Null.
The problem is that insurance companies have latched onto it to justify raising rates, and employers for excluding/disqualifying people.
It's a money thing, and money seems to trump anything else these days...
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Post by dannusmaximus on Feb 8, 2015 19:58:49 GMT
BMI was intended for use as an indicator for physicians to look for certain health problems/conditions. In and of itself it means absolutely nothing. Zip. Nada. Null. |
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Post by redeyes on Feb 10, 2015 1:58:46 GMT
#15
We practiced the choke at 4:36.
And the one at 6:10
We also practiced escapes. Side shrimp, dog butt, and a couple others I can't remember the name of.
I rolled at the end of the class. When I had the back I wasn't able to submit or retain position.
When I was defending my back, I nearly got submitted with a gi choke but remembered the worst case scenario escape and was able to escape the choke.
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Post by nxp on Feb 10, 2015 3:05:06 GMT
Redeyes -
Silly question from a guy that doesn't understand a lot of the escapes in BJJ, but I'm wondering why in the above video the person that's being choked doesn't turn her head and put her chin into the elbow of the hold, take her free hand (that would open the gi), put it under his elbow and push straight up while holding the flat of the hand that has the gi?
By putting her head/jaw in she stops the choke from tighening, and pushing his elbow up will pop her head out from the choke - provided she still maintains purchase on the elbow and his wrist she start rolling him out/over and can put him into a wrist lock.
Granted you need to do that fast - like really fast, as soon as you see that arm come around - but she should be able to get out before the other hand tried to tie up the far side of the gi/pant.
Major issue I can think of is how good of purchase does his legs have around her waist - there's not a lot of room to move down if he's riding her close.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Feb 10, 2015 11:11:25 GMT
As a practitioner of BJJ, or at least was for a long time, I can answer that. BJJ purposefully makes thing difficult and complicated for no reason. They are fully focused on making things intricate and at times very difficult to learn and impossible in a real fight/sparring.
I gave up on much of their silly dogma and stuck with things that are simple and effective. Not busting on anyone or anything, it just wasn't for me. It's good place to learn and continue a martial arts fighting method.
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Post by redeyes on Feb 10, 2015 14:37:24 GMT
Redeyes - Silly question from a guy that doesn't understand a lot of the escapes in BJJ, but I'm wondering why in the above video the person that's being choked doesn't turn her head and put her chin into the elbow of the hold, take her free hand (that would open the gi), put it under his elbow and push straight up while holding the flat of the hand that has the gi? By putting her head/jaw in she stops the choke from tighening, and pushing his elbow up will pop her head out from the choke - provided she still maintains purchase on the elbow and his wrist she start rolling him out/over and can put him into a wrist lock. Granted you need to do that fast - like really fast, as soon as you see that arm come around - but she should be able to get out before the other hand tried to tie up the far side of the gi/pant. Major issue I can think of is how good of purchase does his legs have around her waist - there's not a lot of room to move down if he's riding her close. You just described one of the escapes we learned last night. Why doesn't she do it in the video? The aren't demoing escapes they are demoing chokes. What she would have to do is to pop one of her legs free and then she could slide down. As far as a wrist lock, I dunno if she would have the strength to make it stick. Better to escape the bad position and try to get in a better position where she is in less danger. Please keep in mind that I haven't been doing this for long at all. Ask me again in a few years and I will probably have a very different answer. |
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Post by redeyes on Feb 13, 2015 2:07:05 GMT
#16
In today's class we practiced more back control and escapes. We practiced something called the jungle gym which is an escape from side control. The object is to escape side control and end up on your partners back. Hard to explain. Remember when you used to play horsey when you were little? Yeah you kinda end up in that position sorta.
We also practiced a back control escape that started with the escapee pulling down on the arm that is over their shoulder, sliding down and getting their head under that arm, then bridging and side shrimping out of the leg hooks, then blocking the leg as their partner tries to get them in mount, then getting their partner in side control.
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Post by redeyes on Feb 17, 2015 3:00:33 GMT
#17
We practiced chokes today and practiced moving from position to position then taking the back and putting on a choke. I worked on the bow choke mainly, but I also did the wing choke.
Wing Choke
ETA; I forgot the exciting part again. After class I rolled with a more experienced white belt. I was able to defend myself pretty well until I got him in a weak half guard and tried to push out against him with my arms to get a better position. So yeah, I got armbarred. Gotta remember to keep my arms in.
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Post by redeyes on Feb 17, 2015 15:04:47 GMT
#18 I found out they have morning classes on Tuesday and Thursday, so maybe I can get 4-5 classes in a week vs the 2-3 I have been getting in thus far. I went to the morning class today. It was pretty cool because it was a small class and the instructor let me pick what I wanted to work on. I practiced the side shrimp escape from back control. I can't find a video of it. I did find a video of another escape we learned previously. For your viewing pleasure The Belly Down.
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Whatever, was fun and I was able to escape the back position when we rolled, so I guess I learned something. I am not gonna try to list all the moves, but the two that stood out were the rear naked choke (which has more involved in it than what you see in movies and stuff) and the escape from the back control. 