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Post by LowKey on Apr 24, 2017 3:40:29 GMT
Ugh. This talk of marathons and ultra marathons. Madness. MADNESS!! You should enter a local one. Maybe even get a couple of sponsors to cover costs for gear and professional training. Ensure and Depends would probably be proud willing happy be able to write that off as an advertising cost.
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Post by nxp on Apr 26, 2017 2:52:56 GMT
I don't know, if what I read about it was accurate I think I could actually enjoy ultra, whereas a normal marathon looks like boring self inflicted torture to me. Just to make sure I'm on the same page regarding ultra as the rest of the world; Ultra is longer distances than normal marathons, run on trails and/or off road through more natural surroundings, with more of a run/trot/walk/run/trot/walk pace as opposed to standard marathons where you do the 26.2 miles on pavement in a pack of other runners at the best pace you can maintain, yes? I got booted out of a reddit forum for commenting that ultra's are for people that aren't fast enough to run marathons. A lot of folks didn't appreciate that statement, but I'd argue it's accurate. Obviously those on the pointy end of the spear are going to be amazing athletes in their own right, but most of them are out for a hike just hoping to beat the cut-off at the next aid station. No one's proud of a 6hr marathon, but people will glow when they tell you about their 7 and change 50K. And that's fine - I'm not going to come down on them for that. Personally running a long ass way is hard - hard on me, hard on my feet, hard on shoes, just plain hard. I want it over as fast as possible. I have no idea how people can be on course for hours, but that's not my mindset. Some people dig the shuffle and walk. Some people love to make 1mi laps for 24 hours (these people are nuts - I guarantee it). There are some really amazing ultra's out there, like Western States. They're just incredibly beautiful, but I'm afraid I'd miss how amazing it is because I just want to get through it. I don't know if I could enjoy a race like that, much less actually "race" it. Who knows - maybe I'll get tired of going fast someday and just want to grind. Ultra's are here to stay, they'll be around when/if I'm ever curious.
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Post by nxp on Apr 26, 2017 3:24:24 GMT
... 500 yard swim: 8:00 No problem- my open water was a little close because my sighting sucks. Pool no problem at all.Pushups (2 min): 80-100 Ha - Nope.Sit-ups (2 min): 80-100 Eh - Maybe, it'd be close.Pull-ups (2 min): 15-20 Would be close now, last year no problem. I've been slacking with no bar.1.5 mile run: 9-10 minutes No problem.... The run is a different animal. I am NOT a fast runner. My standard pace is a 9-10 minute per mile lollygag for 3 miles or so. I was about damn dead after doing the 1.5 in the shitty time I got. My plan is to start working intervals on the treadmill, and lose some damn weight to boot. Taking off this extra 10-15 lbs I packed on over the winter should help with that, but I'm not particularly optimistic that I can even meet the minimums for the 1.5 mile run (I would need to knock well over 2 minutes off my time to do that!), regardless of how much I train. If anybody has a suggestion for interval training to help with that, I'm all ears... Progress reports to follow! I'm in the "if you want to run fast, run slow more" camp. Aerobic base is everything, and really the base is what lets you do workouts without breaking important things (as I found out last fall with a torn calf from doing stupid things very fast). Weight loss is huge - 15lbs will get you almost 30sec or more off a mile - that's free speed. I'd tell you to run at least 4 days a week and get up to at least 20-25mi a week before starting to introduce any kind of speedwork. The thing is, people try to introduce speedwork too quickly, or even worse they don't do enough work at the right paces to make the workout worth while. Consider, if you do a bunch of 400 repeats with a 200 recovery, you can easily blow past 3mi on the workout itself and not include the warm/cooldown miles. Add everything up and you're closer to 6mi, that's quite a jump for someone that only runs a 5k occasionally. An example week could be: Mon - OFF, Tue - EZ3, Wed - Fartlek 4 (30/20/10), Thu - OFF, Fri - EZ4, Sat - Xtrain, Sun - 7LSR The Fartlek workout (30/20/10) is time based, so run a mile or so to get warmed up, then for 30sec slowly speed up, 20sec hold that fast speed, and then 10 sprint. At the end jog out until you're comfortable and repeat this until you're ready to cool down or hit 4mi and then cool down.
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Post by nxp on May 3, 2017 4:03:22 GMT
Results in - 90 on the nose, 1:30:00.04. Now for Boston.
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Post by dannusmaximus on May 25, 2017 0:19:11 GMT
Pretty damn impressive to qualify for Boston, NXP! Now be ready to feel even better about yourself...
So, I'm a couple of weeks into my "get into BUD/s" workout. It's actually not as much of a horror show as I thought it might be. The pushups and situps are just a pyramid program, I generally get them knocked out in 10 minutes or so. I could go quicker, but no need to as long as I'm getting in all my reps. My running plan is coming together, I intend to do one 'long run' of 2-3 miles at my regular slow ass pace, and then two runs (that totals me running each of my 3 days on-duty in a work period) doing some kind of interval work. My first two interval workouts were as follows (all are done on a treadmill with the incline set at 2%):
1st day
5 minute walk at 3.5 10 minute run at 6.0 10 minutes of intervals at 7.0/6.0 (one minute each) 5 minute walk
3rd day
5 minute walk at 3.5 5 minute run at 6.5 10 minutes of intervals at 7.5/6.5 (one minute each) 5 minute walk
Heart rate is in the high 150's after the above workouts, and I can tell I'm working, but it isn't killing me. For now, the plan is to basically follow the same pattern, increasing in 0.5 increments until I reach my 'race pace' (8.5 on the treadmill), then lengthening the fast intervals and decreasing the recovery intervals to try and get the 1.5 mile time down.
At any rate, it's nice to have a goal to work towards, and my body can frankly use the rest from weights for awhile. Just doing the situps/pushups/pullups is saving some wear and tear on my old joints.
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Post by LowKey on May 25, 2017 18:43:17 GMT
Congrats to you NXP, and "Way to go!" to Dannus. We old geezers need to try and get/keep in shape. Over the last two months or so I'm down to 187 from around 220-230, goal is around 175 at about 17-18% body fat, so far just from having a no-carb high fat high protein (buffalo wings, bean-less chili, or well marbled steaks pretty much every day). I'm sidelined by a surgery from any real workouts until September or October, at which point I'll be cranking up the 5x5 routine I was doing a few years ago that was working nicely for strength. I'll be following your progress running. as currently my cardio sucks bilgewater and needs drastic improvement. I'm just not sure if I want to go with NXP's "slow to run fast" or HIIT. In another week or so I'm going to see if I can get away with walking a couple of miles a day (in +100 F weather, oh joy) and possible scrounge up a weighed belt to add some additional suck-age to it. I've got a few years left before 50 and I want to hit that wall in decent enough shape to climb it rather than pancake on it.
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Post by nxp on May 26, 2017 2:13:04 GMT
Dannnus - that doesn't make me feel better about myself, but it does make me think you're awesome for jumping back on. Keep at it! Lowkey - Slow to run fast is nice because it doesn't beat you up near as bad as HIIT. HIIT works, explosive power is always best trained through plyo. The hard part is keeping that going for 1.5mi. 400m? Sure. 800m? eh... 1600m? Somethings going to hurt bad. To give you an idea of one of my workouts last weekend, it was a 16x400m @ 5:45min/mi pace, 200m recovery at 8:00min/mi. That workout's a beast, and really started to grind after the 12th rep but it's doable because of the base. Build it and it will go fast.
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Post by dannusmaximus on Jun 5, 2017 2:05:46 GMT
SEAL workout runs were as follows this week, all were done on a treadmill at 2% incline: Day 1This is going to be my slow but high mileage day (and shut up NXP... 'high mileage' is a relative phrase... ) 5 minute walk at 3.5 25 minute run at 6.0 5 minute walk at 3.5 I'm going to bump it to a 30 minute run from here on out, keeping it slow. That is double the mileage I actually need to go for my SEAL run, and dammit, that's enough! Day 25 minute walk at 3.5 10 minute run at 6.5 10 minutes of intervals at 7.5/6.5 (one minute each) 5 minute walk Day 35 minute walk at 3.5 5 minute run at 7.0 10 minutes of intervals at 8.0/7.0 (one minute each) 5 minute walk So, the last day was FAST for me, MUCH faster than I would typically run. Heart rate monitor was reading in the mid to high 160's during the interval portion, and I believe every bit of it. One thing that is surprising me is how smoked my legs are after a fast set of intervals. Very challenging treadmill workouts for this guy! I'm going to keep a similar program for next week, but bump everything up by 0.5 MPH, keeping the times the same. My 'race pace' actually needs to be consistent 8.5 on the treadmill, and next week will give me a taste of it.... *nervous*
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Post by LowKey on Jun 5, 2017 2:19:05 GMT
Good job, Dannus. Keep at it, I know it's hard for you to stay on track with the smells of firehouse cooking wafting past your nose.
On my end, I'm down to 183 pounds so roughly 8 pounds to go and I should be between 17% and 20% body fat, which is where I want to be. These last 10-15 pounds have not come off as quickly as the weight did at the start of this. Still, I'm getting a chuckle out the fact that I'm loosing it on a steady diet of almonds, beef jerky, bean-less chilli, and buffalo wings. And a multi-vitamin. Can't forget the multi-vitamin. Cholesterol levels are good as of 2 weeks ago when I had my yearly physical. Typhoid booster sucked as usual. Surgery is healing nicely, but I'm still banned from anything that strains the abdomen for another 3 months. After that it's me and iron, 5x5, and some sort of cardio.
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Post by dannusmaximus on Jun 5, 2017 4:33:33 GMT
LowKey, are you doing an Atkins style diet, then? I've got a few friends that do something similar off and on, nothing long term. I tried it several years ago (more like 15, I guess), and started feeling run down really quick so I didn't stick with it. It definitely seems to work from a weight loss standpoint, though.
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Post by LowKey on Jun 5, 2017 6:30:08 GMT
LowKey, are you doing an Atkins style diet, then? I've got a few friends that do something similar off and on, nothing long term. I tried it several years ago (more like 15, I guess), and started feeling run down really quick so I didn't stick with it. It definitely seems to work from a weight loss standpoint, though. Essentially, yes, but I'm too lazy to make any of the fancy meals they describe so I just stick with really basic meat based meals and stay away from carbs. The main trick with this type of diet is going into ketosis (not ketoacidosis, thats a different critter entirely) where your body starts to draw its calories exclusively from fats. You have to keep your carb intake very low at the start, no more than 40 grams and no less than 20 (the brain needs those, it doesn't like ketones). When you get close to where you want your weight to be you slowly start adding cabs back into your diet, bumping it up 5 or 10 grams a week until you see yourself starting to gain weight again, then back it off to the previous amount. That's where you'll stay at a stable weight assuming you keep to the same level of physical exertion, ect. Now as to why you felt crappy.....happens to everyone that goes on this type of diet. Your body really prefers running on sugar, the cheap energy source, rather than fats/ketones which it views as it's savings account for hard times. As you deplete the sugars in your bloodstream and the ATP in your tissues you get all the classic symptoms of low blood sugar. Some people get them more severely, some less, but you get them because.... surprise...you have low blood sugar. It takes 3 to 4 days for your body to give up hope of getting any carbs and to make the switch to primarily burning fat. Sadly, all it takes is one slip and ingesting more than 40 grams of carbs in one day to knock you out of ketosis and then you'll have to do it all over again. Which sucks. And it can also put weigh to fast, like a fat kid at Chuck-E_Cheese. Another thing to keep in mind, this is a "slow" energy....think aerobic not anabolic. Hiking=Good. Sprinting=Bad. Seriously. I read a portion of a study where they tried this with mountain climbers....the climbers did better on a diet of fat then on a more carb based diet. Slow, steady work not busts of frantic activity. I mean, you'll still be able to sprint to catch the Good Humor truck (to buy it for the kids dummy, you can't have any!) , but don't expect to be doing grass drills and not feel like your ass is dragging so far behind that it's in the next time zone. So while on the diet, no more than 40 grams of carbs a day. Period. No cheat days. Also, don't go overboard on the protein either. That's a mistake some people make because their afraid of eating fat. Ketosis burns fat, not protein, so if most of your calories aren't coming from fat you body will do some black magic shit and break down proteins into sugars/ATP. This is why you need those 20 grams of carbs for your brain...if the gray prune in your skull doesn't get what it likes your body will break down muscle to make it what it wants, and bam! You're out of ketosis again. Ideally you should be gettng about 60% of your calories from fat at a minimum. Go for the well marbled T-bone and DON'T trim the fat off. Seriously, I think the biggest mistake I see people making when they try this type of diet is by attempting to avoid fat. Not only does that not help in any way, if your protein intake is too high it can do bad things to your kidneys. Yet another point...do not go more than 6 waking hours without eating something. This apparently has something to do with avoiding triggering a starvation response in your metabolism. Don't ask me how or why, I just work here. A handful of almonds and/or some beef jerky do fine. Now here is where I go off script, and nothing I say hereafter is endorsed by any medical authority...not even anyone who stayed at a Holiday in last night. It's just my off the cuff, half-assed theorizing as to why this works visa a vi why the hell does human metabolism do this bizzare crap. 1- Carbs that are edible by human beings are not readily available in nature in great quantity. Prior to the advent of agriculture you didn't find wheat fields. fields of potatoes, fields of rice, or even a lot of ripe fruit. Mono-culture crops are mostly human caused thing, not how it plays out in nature. Also you would have been competing with just about every other organism for those carbs, from viruses and fungi to small birds and mammals, to larger herbivores. Also, fruit wasn't ripe all year long. You had brief windows where a certain type would be ripe, and once that time had passed you had to wait another year. So the default setting for our metabolism isn't really for a carb based diet. 2- The time of year when carbs did become more plentiful was late summer and early fall. If we tend to get fat on a carb heavy diet, wouldn't it make sense that we evolved that trait to fatten up just before food became scarce? My suspicion is that we're really supposed to live on a much lower level of carb intake than is normal in modern society. Atkins found correlation, using death records amongst other things, between when refined carbs (white four and sugar) became relatively cheap and readily available and the increase in obesity and heart disease. I think he may have very well been onto something. There's more of my mad pondering on this, but I'm feeling like crap with some sort of bizzare crud which I'll probably ask you folks to puzzle out for me in another post, then I'll crash.
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Post by scbrian on Jun 5, 2017 13:45:37 GMT
I've done Atking before. About a decade back. Worked well, but I always felt like a crack addict walking by the bread or pasta aisle...
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Post by LowKey on Jun 5, 2017 20:48:43 GMT
I've done Atking before. About a decade back. Worked well, but I always felt like a crack addict walking by the bread or pasta aisle... It's not that bad for me, but I wasn't a big bread/pasta eater before hand. I will admit sometimes I catch myself longing for a sandwich and realize I'm thinking more about the bread than the filling. It's a fleeting thing, though. The thing is you don't have to avoid carbs forever, just while you're dropping the weight. After that you just have to determine how many carbs you can have without starting to gain weight. Given a choice between being fat or not super-sizing my fries I'll skip the fries any day of the week.
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Post by dannusmaximus on Jun 5, 2017 20:50:16 GMT
LowKey, are you doing an Atkins style diet, then? I've got a few friends that do something similar off and on, nothing long term. I tried it several years ago (more like 15, I guess), and started feeling run down really quick so I didn't stick with it. It definitely seems to work from a weight loss standpoint, though. Another thing to keep in mind, this is a "slow" energy....think aerobic not anabolic. Hiking=Good. Sprinting=Bad. Seriously. I read a portion of a study where they tried this with mountain climbers....the climbers did better on a diet of fat then on a more carb based diet. Slow, steady work not busts of frantic activity. I mean, you'll still be able to sprint to catch the Good Humor tuck (to buy it for the kids dummy, you can't have any!) , but don't expect to be doing grass drills and not feel like your ass is dragging so far behind that it's in the next time zone. That may have been part of my issue. I was into some fairly meathead fitness at the time, triathalons and such. Sounds like Atkins is not necessarily conducive to that, at least in it's initial phases. Also, I found it surprisingly hard to force myself to eat high fat high protein meals day after day. The first few days were like "Fat kids rejoice!! Bacon and eggs with cheese on it for all three meals today!!". After a week or so, though, it was all I could do to shovel in ANOTHER pork chop. Amazing how I would have no trouble at all eating a dozen donuts at a sitting, though....
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Post by LowKey on Jun 5, 2017 22:18:39 GMT
Another thing to keep in mind, this is a "slow" energy....think aerobic not anabolic. Hiking=Good. Sprinting=Bad. Seriously. I read a portion of a study where they tried this with mountain climbers....the climbers did better on a diet of fat then on a more carb based diet. Slow, steady work not busts of frantic activity. I mean, you'll still be able to sprint to catch the Good Humor tuck (to buy it for the kids dummy, you can't have any!) , but don't expect to be doing grass drills and not feel like your ass is dragging so far behind that it's in the next time zone. That may have been part of my issue. I was into some fairly meathead fitness at the time, triathalons and such. Sounds like Atkins is not necessarily conducive to that, at least in it's initial phases. Also, I found it surprisingly hard to force myself to eat high fat high protein meals day after day. The first few days were like "Fat kids rejoice!! Bacon and eggs with cheese on it for all three meals today!!". After a week or so, though, it was all I could do to shovel in ANOTHER pork chop. Amazing how I would have no trouble at all eating a dozen donuts at a sitting, though.... The part I emphasized above is why they don't preach calorie counting. You feel full faster, and feel satiated longer. In effect your appetite drops. It has to do with your body/metabolism noting that you have no shortage of fat to burn (this is including body fat) so it doesn't trigger any serious urges to eat. You're eating every 6 hours not because you need the calories (most of us are carrying a few weeks worth around already) but to keep your gut from panicking and throwing your metabolism into starvation mode. The High fat high protein (60/30) chow you're eating has that ratio to keep you from screwing up the chemistry and throwing you back into a glucose based metabolism. I've found I don't have to worry about portion control...I just don't find myself shoveling more food on my plate after the first serving. It tastes great, but I'm just full. Odd side effect I've noticed: joint aches, ect decreased almost immediately after I hit ketosis. Not sure why.
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