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Post by homerj on Apr 28, 2014 19:41:45 GMT
Hey all, I set up a tentative trade for this evening after work and would appreciate your opinion on a deal/no deal of my never fired 16" PSA dissy for an AR15 pistol below: www.armslist.com/posts/2992820/el-paso-texas-rifles-for-sale-trade--nice-ar15-pistolOn my PSA I currently have a magpul CTR, UTG rail, knigts rail covers, troy fixed buis, clamp on qd sling on buffer tube, primary arms T1 clone, and a grip pod. I have never fired the PSA, I like my SIG 516 better and the PSA was more of a moving away souvenir. I have been in the market for a AR pistol and intend to slap a SIG stabilizing brace on it. What do you all think? Thanks in advance.
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Post by Browning35 on Apr 29, 2014 1:08:58 GMT
This would make me a bit leery of a trade for a few different reasons. Obviously didn't work out well for this guy. Was it the length of the barrel? The lack of a real stock? Reliability issues with this particular gun? Also the ad comes off reading as a bit desperate (completely possible that I'm reading into it though). I've never tried one of those Sig SB-15 braces (so take my comments as those of a well-meaning stranger who has absolutely no experience with this particular accessory), but it doesn't read as being either particularly accurate nor a fun blaster (read comments below about using it as intended). www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/08/18/sig-sb15-pistol-stabilizing-brace-review/That AR pistol sounds like it has some decent brand name parts on it, but I'd personally keep the Dissy. IMHO every American shooter needs at least one AR rifle (even if you like that Sig 5.56 better). It's America's rifle and way more common than the Sig. Then again it sounds like you have the bug to buy an AR pistol (which doesn't interest me much unless I was going to get an SBR and buying an AR pistol was just a route towards that goal) and that bug will only be resolved by getting an AR pistol and wringing it out.
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Post by homerj on Apr 29, 2014 3:48:15 GMT
I made the trade.
The guy was another Soldier, for him the pistol was more of a range toy than anything else and he wanted a carbine size since he left the rest of his back home. Everything looks like its in good condition, the paint job is a little nicer than I was expecting and I don't anticipate having any issues.
I do not intend to use the Sig brace in its clownshoes soup sandwich configuration, with that letter from the ATF I am pretty comfortable shouldering the pistol:
Since I am going to move allot, an SBR is not very appealing to me, this is the next best thing and keeps me from jumping through hoops every time I move or setting up a trust.
My Sig is the 516 piston AR, its not the 556 and to be honest I wasn't digging the dissy too much anymore, I have had it since last July and had never even fired it.
As a light range toy my wife can use, something I can throw in a bag on long trips or keep in my car, I think I will get more use out of this.
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Post by Browning35 on Apr 29, 2014 12:58:28 GMT
Cool. I figured your mind was made up on it, but I'd go for Devils Advocate.
Maybe you could tell us how it works out as a stock.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Apr 29, 2014 13:56:58 GMT
I'm interested in you impressions on the sig brace. I just run my pistols with the buffer tube on my shoulder. Works fine for me, not as good as a buttstock but not impossible.
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Post by homerj on Apr 29, 2014 17:26:43 GMT
Willdo, I just picked one up today, they only had black though. Any ideas how I can strip off the krylon?
I asked to hold a pistol with the Sig Brace installed and it was very comfortable. It has a bulky appearance but I never felt that way when I shouldered it. The soft rubber texture feels really good at every angle I tried and I don't think I am going to be feeling any recoil and this should bite into body armor very well. I have seen pictures of the brace tightened really tight where the bottom part that wraps aroud your forearm kind rolls over eachother and makes the brace look even more like a stock, I think I am going to try that.
I had a very good first impression, but more to come after I install it on my pistol and fire it this weekend.
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Post by RTF Squared on Apr 30, 2014 0:39:31 GMT
Really interested in how that "arm-brace" works for you. I don't want an SBR for all the same reasons, but of course I actually want an SBR.
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Post by homerj on Apr 30, 2014 1:04:32 GMT
Here it is gents: Get them before the ATF changes their mind! This thing is awesome! Fits really tight, I had to use some baby powder as a dry lube and a soft rubber mallet. Feels amazing, way better than any stock I own or have fired. The rubber is great, feels nice on the shoulder and the cheek weld is very comfy and has nice traction. This thing grabs onto whatever you shoulder it to, my IOTV is pretty bulky compared to most plate carriers and armor but the Sig brace bites into it nicely, no matter the angle. You can push this thing as deep as you want for your preferred length of pull. I didn't weight it but it has some heft to it which balances my pistol out nicely. The box comes with two straps, instructions, and a shrunk down ATF letter printed on some thick water resistant paper. I can't say enough about the Sig brace, it works for me and is a great alternative to an SBR. I have only fired an AR pistol once in Kim Jong Greg's carbine/sbr/AR pistol/glock shootout and I did not like it. Shouldering it fast did not feel intuitive or comfortable to me, I felt like I had to be more deliberate in making sure I pocket the tiny tube just right for a solid and comfortable shot. With the Sig brace it is just as fast and intuitive as a normal stock, with the rubbery goodness it may be even quicker and more comfortable.
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Post by nxp on Apr 30, 2014 2:52:10 GMT
I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop on this one. It seems like that shoe's just hanging up there until someone decides braces are bad (m'kay?), and I'd hate to have 150 smackers wrapped up in something that has to be destroyed.
I DO like the fact that it would make my range toy/hunting pistol more effective.
If they'd drop the price to a Benjamin I'd be tempted.
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Post by homerj on Apr 30, 2014 3:13:11 GMT
I hear you, more like a hanging sword.. You can find these around the 110-115$ range, arfcom has a thread with the latest and best prices I think.
The whole premise here is that the ATF is confirming that there is no "illegal" way to fire a pistol, I think if they do start banning this product they are going to have to start regulating how we can legally fire our AR pistols, which I think even for the ATF may be a stretch. I suppose they could work around that by classifying the Sig brace as a stock but if they wanted to do that I doubt they would have approved it in the first place.
But I digress, that is assuming too much sense on the part of the ATF, I think if these can stay legal until a more gun friendly administration we may be ok on these. In the mean time for shooters like me this is our only real option.
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Post by homerj on Apr 30, 2014 3:14:58 GMT
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Post by homerj on May 2, 2014 2:11:19 GMT
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Post by Browning35 on May 2, 2014 12:07:03 GMT
So is it about the length of a six position stock with it fully collapsed?
(Or if that's a poorly worded question just let me know via PM and I'll nuke this post altogether)
That wouldn't be too bad if you shoot squared up. Even with my long ass gorilla arms I usually put the stock in the middle or two notches from being collapsed. If someone shot bladed it probably wouldn't work out all that well.
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Post by homerj on May 2, 2014 15:24:15 GMT
Yes it is, the magpul stock is not a good comparison to scale since it is so long, but the Sig brace is about as long as a standard USGI stock or the CTR. When tapped all the way down it is as if you collapsed the stock all the way.
I usually have my stock adjusted at 2 notches or so as well, but I figured if I am going to have a short rifle may as well go all the way and get it as short as possible. I shoot tucked in and the mag well grip works best for me, with the rifle at 28" it is very well balanced and comfortable for my shooting style.
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Post by doc11 on May 2, 2014 15:35:50 GMT
If you are going to shoot with the mag well gripped, you should move the light back so that you do not have to adjust your grip when using it.
Or get a hand stop and run your hand out to the stop and leave the light.
Either way, you should run everything so that you don't have to adjust your grip to make it all work.
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