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Post by NamelessStain on Aug 12, 2015 11:15:53 GMT
I'm sorry if you took my post as gleeful. I'm just trying to point out that they need to STOP their plan to continue to $15 so they don't lose MORE jobs. I can almost guarantee the people hit hardest are not the wait staff since many of them rely mostly on tips. It's the crew in the back who you don't see. The dish washers and line cooks. <soapbox> They need to realize the direct relationship between the raise to $11/hour and -1000 jobs, but they won't. We've had all the discussions about alternatives to letting people go and apparently the owners decided not to go down those roads. It's the same people who think they are social justice warriors that do stupid shit (like this guy www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/03/seattle-ceo-who-set-firm-minimum-wage-to-70g-rents-house-to-make-ends-meet/ ) then once the genie is out of the bottle they realize it is not a sustainable economic model. Another problem is the college educational system for those who choose that path. Stop giving degrees in Sanskrit and focus on what society needs. Stop requiring all the BS classes that make people "well rounded" and just give them what they need to become a productive person. I really don't need "comparative literature" or "art appreciation" for a computer science job. College curriculum needs to trim the fat which will also lower the student's debt, which is another huge problem, since they would remove 2 semesters filled with these classes. </soapbox> |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Aug 13, 2015 11:15:30 GMT
NO, I'm not gleeful at all about this but business can not operate under this business model with these labor costs. It's an artifical construct based on nothing but emotions without regards to their ability to perform at a $15 an hour rate. We don't pay police, EMT or firedawgs that rate. It's absurd. The only thing it's going to do is push the price of everything up, deflate purchasing power the poverty rate will not change but in fact become worse. Look at the time line, once they forced an socialist idea upon a free market the poverty rate has done nothing but increase, even sky rocket.
This is not lifting anyone out of poverty but in fact spreading misery. Forcing me, you and everyone else to accept artifical constraints because it makes us feel good to have more digits. More digits that don't get us anymore than we had before and yokes the producers to pull for those that don't.
I have a book on my shelf at home that talks about destroying govt controls on the market and making everyone an independent contractor that negotiates their own benefits and wage based on their ability to produce. It's called "America, Yes You Can". Which is exactly what every professional does, every sales man or any working contractor based on their ability to produce a product. Shit, every one that makes anything negotiates with with market and if the product is precieved to be to expensive to be competitve the producer will adjust what he's asking for the product.
Now, place an artifical constraint on McDs or Apple like increased labor costs then they'll have to increase their cost to the consumer thus making it a wash. And wait, we haven't even begun to talk about putting them into increase tax brackets which is a boon to the govt. in increased revenues to the state.
This is a red herring boon doggle. Instead of mashing the gas pedal of government intrusion into the market we need to slip the clutch and pump to brakes because if we break the market we'll all pay in more ways than we can imagine for the artifical hourly rate. Anyone really think these people are going to step up to a $15 dollar an hour production rate? Or are they purposefully going to agitate for more? Or they going to take over their own healthcare? Oh, this may get very rich, very fast.
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Post by as556 on Aug 13, 2015 14:16:58 GMT
My state is pushing for $15, I have mixed feelings on it. If it passes I'll likely drive over state lines to shop at Costco every other month to offset the inflation. I make $12/hr as it is and all I do right now is stock shelves at a grocery store so Im cool with that. I was making $11 managing four high volume departments for this same company so I said F it I'm going to nights for the shift differential.
Best decision I've made recently. Way less stress..being a manager blows.
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Post by nxp on Aug 13, 2015 15:15:37 GMT
My state is pushing for $15, I have mixed feelings on it. If it passes I'll likely drive over state lines to shop at Costco every other month to offset the inflation. I make $12/hr as it is and all I do right now is stock shelves at a grocery store so Im cool with that. I was making $11 managing four high volume departments for this same company so I said F it I'm going to nights for the shift differential. Best decision I've made recently. Way less stress..being a manager blows. Did the same thing when I was in college - went from front end manager to 3rd shift dock work and doubled my pay. Life sucked for a couple years, not entirely sure how much sleep I actually got during that time between classes/work/social obligations, but walking out with a degree and no debt made it worth it. |
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Post by NamelessStain on Aug 17, 2015 11:11:30 GMT
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Aug 17, 2015 12:07:39 GMT
Which is why Mexican and Vietnamese restaurants do so well. Under the table and under paid. Well, not under paid, the employee isn't paying taxes either so, yeah. Which brings up the whole govt. pension arguement. No social security payments, no social security checks but in their cultures they don't believe in retirement. They think you should work til you're dead. And do. We need to give up on this strange idea that once we get old the youth have to be forced by the force of the govt. to pay for us. What the actual is wrong with us to saddle our children with insurmountable debt? I will not allow my kids to become perpetual debt slaves. WE WERE NOT BORN TO PAY BILLS, BE TAXED AND FOLLOW THE RULES. |
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Post by dannusmaximus on Aug 17, 2015 18:28:06 GMT
Which is why Mexican and Vietnamese restaurants do so well. Under the table and under paid. Well, not under paid, the employee isn't paying taxes either so, yeah. Which brings up the whole govt. pension arguement. No social security payments, no social security checks but in their cultures they don't believe in retirement. They think you should work til you're dead. And do. We need to give up on this strange idea that once we get old the youth have to be forced by the force of the govt. to pay for us. What the actual is wrong with us to saddle our children with insurmountable debt? I will not allow my kids to become perpetual debt slaves. WE WERE NOT BORN TO PAY BILLS, BE TAXED AND FOLLOW THE RULES. You're comparing apples to oranges. It is wrong to assume that other cultures 'don't believe in retirement'. They don't believe in or practice a WESTERN version of retirement, but they have their own social support network and version of retirement. This primarily involves bigger extended families which will physically and fiscally take care of you when you get old. Easier to do if you are in an agrarian economy, as well. Great grandpa isn't laying railroad tracks in Mexico, and Great grandma probably isn't working in the rice fields 20 hours a day in Cambodia. And when I'm in my 70's, I don't think you want me rolling up in my big red truck if your house is on fire. I might break a hip getting out of it...  Also, look around. Where I live I see a LOT of older people working at restaurants, grocery stores, etc. Social security payments aren't enough to live high on the hog. Might be different in your AO, but I don't see that many oldsters lounging by the pool in their mansions while your kids cut them social security checks. |
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Post by NamelessStain on Aug 17, 2015 18:47:35 GMT
Social Security is a mess. I don't think anyone can debate that.
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Post by dannusmaximus on Aug 17, 2015 22:50:17 GMT
Social Security is a mess. I don't think anyone can debate that. A total mess. But a fixable mess, and, at least in my opinion, a valuable safety net for the working class. |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Aug 17, 2015 23:02:15 GMT
Dannus, I agree it's a mess. I agree it's necessary for some. It's out of control right now. I must be means tested, balanced and within budget. There is no reason 20 year old kids are getting it or women who pump out babies. The old, the handicapped and orphans, that's it.
And it should not straddle the next three generation with debt because it we have good feels about it.
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Post by dannusmaximus on Aug 17, 2015 23:19:59 GMT
Dannus, I agree it's a mess. I agree it's necessary for some. It's out of control right now. I must be means tested, balanced and within budget. There is no reason 20 year old kids are getting it or women who pump out babies. The old, the handicapped and orphans, that's it. And it should not straddle the next three generation with debt because it we have good feels about it. Concur 100% with all points. |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Aug 18, 2015 13:30:59 GMT
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Post by NamelessStain on Sept 1, 2015 10:57:28 GMT
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Post by as556 on Sept 1, 2015 13:58:56 GMT
As a fail-mart employee I can honestly say I told all my coworkers this would happen months ago. Fortunately I'm full time and guaranteed 36 minimum. That's good and bad because yes I'll have hours but we'll be short staffed even worse than we already are and I'll be doing the work of 2-3ppl. Meh. A checks a check.
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Post by NamelessStain on Sept 11, 2015 13:59:03 GMT
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