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Post by NamelessStain on Nov 21, 2013 17:37:37 GMT
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Post by nxp on Nov 23, 2013 16:54:33 GMT
Awareness, awareness, awareness.
Dude was lucky it wasn't a run in punch which seems to be the favored method of the attack - I can't tell you how many people I see everyday that are buried in their cell phones or shut the world out with earbuds in. I don't know about the rest of you, but I've learned to listen for running feet - that usually means somethings coming up in a hurry (not uncommon around blind corners in large buildings) and not interested in stopping - for a reason.
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Post by redeyes on Nov 23, 2013 22:30:39 GMT
Judging from the way the assailant was talking during the interview, his "lesson learned" had more to do with victim selection than whether or not he should be playing the game. He didn't seem remorseful at all.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 23, 2013 23:49:35 GMT
Awareness, awareness, awareness. Dude was lucky it wasn't a run in punch which seems to be the favored method of the attack - I can't tell you how many people I see everyday that are buried in their cell phones or shut the world out with earbuds in. I don't know about the rest of you, but I've learned to listen for running feet - that usually means somethings coming up in a hurry (not uncommon around blind corners in large buildings) and not interested in stopping - for a reason. Something I've started to do when I hear someone running by or towards me (If I can remember) is to side step, not a big exaggerated one but just a mild step or two the the side. Difference in a connected hit to the head and miss is inches. Paranoid, sure is.
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Post by shiddymunkie on Nov 24, 2013 7:51:26 GMT
"...teens are playing it because they are seeing others doing it and getting away with it..." This is essentially what I was talking about here. The more the media publicizes this sort of stuff, the more popular it'll become. The more popular it becomes, the more the media will publicize it. It's a vicious cycle; a self-fulfilling prophecy where the mere act of shining spotlight on this game will encourage others to play it. How many kids are now going to be tempted to do this themselves simply because it's being presented as a "new thing" sweeping the nation? IMO, the best way to snuff this out is to cut this game's 15 minutes of fame short. Local law enforcement should still deal with these incidents swiftly and harshly, just not on stage in front of a live studio audience, if you know what I mean.
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Post by NamelessStain on Nov 24, 2013 12:43:10 GMT
It's not the media publishing it. The people doing this will upload videos themselves.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 24, 2013 14:58:08 GMT
IMO, the best way to snuff this out is to cut this game's 15 minutes of fame short. Local law enforcement should still deal with these incidents swiftly and harshly, just not on stage in front of a live studio audience, if you know what I mean. We had and have had incidents like this in Columbia in the 5 Points area. One white kid was beaten so badly by a group of black kids he was in a coma for 3 months and has permanent daim bramage. During the trial it came out that the attack was racial motivated based solely on the guys race. These kids were all under age except one. These guys are cowards. But cowards gain courage from groups. They're nobodies desperately seeking fame.
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Post by shiddymunkie on Nov 24, 2013 18:20:25 GMT
It's not the media publishing it. The people doing this will upload videos themselves. Yes that's true. However, I was more talking about the exposure these videos are now getting by big media companies, and what that mega-boost in exposure is going to do for the popularity of this game. Case in point, type "knockout game" into Google and look at the first page of results: - USA Today
- New York Post
- ABC 7 News
- CNN
- Wikipedia
- CBS (New York)
- CBS (Washington)
- New York Times
- The Blaze
- Yahoo News
- CBS.com
In fact, in the first 5 pages, I'm not seeing links to YouTube, LiveLeak, etc, which makes me wonder how "sweeping" this trend would be if it weren't for the media advertising it. Sure, it still would've gotten views on YouTube, and there would likely still be a following of kids as a result of those videos...but it wouldn't nearly be as wide spread or popular it never started making headlines. There is a lot of messed up stuff out there that could become a "trend" if given enough attention and presented in the right light, and I can't help but feel that this is one of them. Like mass shootings, the sensationalism created by the media is going to make this worse before it gets better. In fact, I'm betting it'll get better right around the time people get bored with it.
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Post by shiddymunkie on Nov 24, 2013 18:29:17 GMT
IMO, the best way to snuff this out is to cut this game's 15 minutes of fame short. Local law enforcement should still deal with these incidents swiftly and harshly, just not on stage in front of a live studio audience, if you know what I mean. We had and have had incidents like this in Columbia in the 5 Points area. One white kid was beaten so badly by a group of black kids he was in a coma for 3 months and has permanent daim bramage. During the trial it came out that the attack was racial motivated based solely on the guys race. These kids were all under age except one. These guys are cowards. But cowards gain courage from groups. They're nobodies desperately seeking fame. Indeed, and the media is going to continue to eat this up in the mean time, which is only going to encourage those nobodies to continue doing this. With that being said, I suppose the only way to combat this media-fueled trend is to give the instances of arrest, defensive shootings, etc just as much (or more) media coverage. That way, kids will get the impression this game is not really a "game", but rather just a dumb idea that'll get you thrown in jail or killed. The fact they are even framing this trend as 'a game' is going to make it more appealing to youths. Sometimes I don't think the media really understands the power they have, and the consequences that come from the stories they cover, and even the words they choose to use. Games are fun and entertaining, they encourage competitiveness, they encourage getting the high score, and now they've associated all of those things with assaulting random strangers...all just by using the word "game".
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 24, 2013 18:53:01 GMT
It's not the media publishing it. The people doing this will upload videos themselves. Yes that's true. However, I was more talking about the exposure these videos are now getting by big media companies, and what that mega-boost in exposure is going to do for the popularity of this game. Case in point, type "knockout game" into Google and look at the first page of results: - USA Today
- New York Post
- ABC 7 News
- CNN
- Wikipedia
- CBS (New York)
- CBS (Washington)
- New York Times
- The Blaze
- Yahoo News
- CBS.com
In fact, in the first 5 pages, I'm not seeing links to YouTube, LiveLeak, etc, which makes me wonder how "sweeping" this trend would be if it weren't for the media advertising it. Sure, it still would've gotten views on YouTube, and there would likely still be a following of kids as a result of those videos...but it wouldn't nearly be as wide spread or popular it never started making headlines. There is a lot of messed up stuff out there that could become a "trend" if given enough attention and presented in the right light, and I can't help but feel that this is one of them. Like mass shootings, the sensationalism created by the media is going to make this worse before it gets better. In fact, I'm betting it'll get better right around the time people get bored with it. The thing is these guys who play this 'game' aren't reading the New York Post or the Blaze. They're on World Hip Hop Star, hiphopwired, rap.com and other underground sites seeking local fame to increase their rep among their peers and get ' bitches'. So this popped up without any help of the mainstream media. When I was a kid it was people getting jumped or rat-packed and there weren't any video cameras to record anything. They were too expensive, too big and that didn't really pop up until later (late 90's). They'd brag about it and the stories would spread word of mouth. - That dude does need to get some training and increase his hit potential. It did stop the attack though.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 24, 2013 18:55:48 GMT
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Post by shiddymunkie on Nov 24, 2013 19:13:42 GMT
The thing is these guys who play this 'game' aren't reading the New York Post or the Blaze. They're on World Hip Hop Star, hiphopwired, rap.com and other underground sites seeking local fame to increase their rep among their peers and get ' bitches'. For now. Give it time, and enough attention, and that'll change.
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 24, 2013 19:54:30 GMT
I know what you mean and I think that national attention will end up increasing these attacks if nothing else is done to stop them just like how you're saying. Meaning that no other measures are taken and societies attitudes on whether these attacks are somehow 'justified' because of past racial injustices stemming incidents from 40+ years ago.
I'm just pointing out that there's been some variant of these attacks going on for a long time and that this game came about with little attention payed to it by the MSM.
As much as I love laying blame at the doorstep on the liberal media this isn't really the truth here.
Think about the reasons why these attacks are committed, the motivation. Local celebrity, increased status within their crew, the chance to hurt others with little consequence and unleash some anger along with some racial hatred are pretty much it.
Some offenders are naturally going to want national attention, but in order to get that national attention they'd have to get arrested. Most aren't willing to do that.
They start getting sentenced to long prison terms if caught, if they're shot/stabbed/beat up/pepper sprayed themselves in defense and their own community starts shunning them and it isn't cool any longer and these attacks will stop.
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Post by shiddymunkie on Nov 24, 2013 23:49:01 GMT
Speaking of which, this one was deemed a hate crime: abcnews.go.com/US/knockout-game-suspect-charged-hate-crime/story?id=20992590Just to clarify, I don't believe the existing assaults were the result of MSM. Naturally, those arose of their own volition which is what caught MSM's attention to begin with. I was just pointing out the memetic potential of this game if MSM isn't careful about how they report on it. There is undeniable evidence behind MSM coverage and resulting 'copycat' crimes.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 24, 2013 23:52:31 GMT
Good and the penalty should be harsh. Random assaults just for fun is wrong.
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