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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 10, 2013 19:48:14 GMT
Make the argument pro or con. Or just vote. However it goes, let's keep it to a minimum. We ain't sailors. 
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Post by nxp on Nov 10, 2013 20:54:31 GMT
I vote leave it. Educated folks should not have to resort to a poor lexicon just to exacerbate an opinion.
That and you can have a LOT of fun with word/phrase swaps, and I enjoy the humor.
NXP
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Post by Ten Eight on Nov 11, 2013 15:33:42 GMT
I agree with NXP. If you can't get your point across without using rough language, then don't click the reply button.
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Post by NoAm (Jen) on Nov 11, 2013 21:48:25 GMT
I agree with these guys ^^^^^^^
I feel we are dealing with a good class of members right now and don't feel the filter is necessary. Yes I will tuck my lady card away at times and let a $(*#$%&! slip out but for the most part I think everyone will keep things under control. If this becomes an issue in the future it can be revisited. I also think as long as it is used in the context of 'at a subject' not 'at another member' it will be overlooked.
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Post by scbrian on Nov 11, 2013 21:53:08 GMT
I work in a Steel Mill, I run a Boy Scout troop, I can swing either way.  |
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Post by NamelessStain on Nov 12, 2013 0:59:57 GMT
I work in a Steel Mill, I run a Boy Scout troop, I can swing either way. TMI! lol |
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Post by shiddymunkie on Nov 12, 2013 1:11:55 GMT
I would rather not have a filter, but I can understand why others might want one. With that being said, is it possible to make this language filter an option people can turn off/on in their profile settings? It seems to me that this is primarily a matter of personal preference (and should be handled as such).
This, of course, assumes the filter can be setup that way. If it can't, I think issues of egregious foul language are better dealt with on a case-by-case basis rather than a preemptive/sweeping ban.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 12, 2013 1:30:29 GMT
Okay, I'm going to go with turning the filter off. However, I humbly request that it be kept to a minimum out of respect for users who may not enjoy the "Words of Flavor".
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Post by doc11 on Nov 14, 2013 6:32:46 GMT
Thank goodness. If a forum has in its title "Freedom and Liberty" and curbs the freedoms of its members by an arbitrary filter to make people feel better, it needs to change its name.
I think I expressed myself in the thread that started this entire thing, but allow me to say that even if you want to try and give this entire thing a biblical stance, I would argue that as long as I am not using "the Lords name," it's all just language that people, through a misplaced sense of morality, have determined the words to be used by a lesser class of people. Truth of the matter is, that education has nothing to do with my choice of language. As a person who has a double major in History and English respectively, I find the assumption that a "bad" language is a mark of uneducated people to be quite presumptuous and dare I say, bigoted. We use our personal opinions to degrade people and categorize them accordingly. Judging a person by their language or appearance, the state they reside, the color of their eyes, smacks of a form of elitism which cuts to the core of what is basically wrong with society as we live it today.
Just as I might look like a hippie makes people think that I will hesitate to kick their ass, my choice of language has nothing to do with my level of intelligence nor my ability to carry on a conversation concerning a myriad of subjects. I will not hesitate to kick your ass just as easily as I carry on a conversation on String Theory.
Thanks for taking off the filter, now let's remove the ones which clog our minds. That's the hippie talking.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 14, 2013 13:43:55 GMT
That was quite a hippie rant!  Allow me to explain why there was a filter and why it was removed. These is a long post that describes the rules of the forum because I and other members don't want a Chan4 style or anything goes forum because those already exist. There is a place for that already. Freedom and Liberty was started to discuss politics with regards to prepping while being respectful to each other. To ensure this occurs I adopted a long list of rules for the forum. Those include prohibitions on porn, degrading language, being disrespectful to others and sexist posts. They're banned here because there are 1000's of places for them already and after multiple conversations with a bunch of different members it seemed there was a want and desire for this type of forum. No one says anyone has to post or read here. Don't read that as me saying anything than that. There is still the freedom and liberty in those other places for that activity but I wanted to attract people who wanted a forum with decorum that are commited to prepping and restoration of the Republic. Hence, the rules against snark, disrespect and previously the word filter. It's true, Freedom and Liberty has a bunch of rules and prohibitions because in previous experience I've found without them it's a free for all, it alienates people and the forum eventually fails. I personally do not believe there can be a productive forum without these rules. In the real world, I believe freedom of speech should not be limited, many things that are prohibited should be lawful and limits should be removed. However, I just don't believe a forum can exist without these rules. Freedom without responsibility doesn't work, liberty without respect fails. I believe a Republic without a common morality will fail. I strongly want to restore the Republic to it's constitutional founding and if one component is an internet forum that has some rules, so be it. I'm not into defining what freedom means for others but a simple observation of society says the anything goes way of life is not working. I hope this explains the rules, the previous and current prohibitions and the road forward on the forum. |
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 14, 2013 14:51:48 GMT
I personally voted 'No'. No one really wants to offend anyone and so I get the part about the language filter. Someone who's ultra-religious or who's a little more proper in their form of speech might be put off by a place where there's cuss words plastered all over the place. I don't really want that either. However internet forums are places for people to be entertained, share ideas and get away from their every day lives and the majority of people swear occasionally to emphasize an idea. So I personally think that we could do without the word filter just so long as it doesn't degenerate to the point where every other other word is "Fuckety fuck fuck". I personally think it's fine if people cuss. Studies have shown that people who cuss are more honest in their every day dealings with other people.  (I really did read that somewhere) Maybe we could try it out for awhile and if it doesn't work out we could always switch back. |
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Post by scbrian on Nov 14, 2013 15:01:45 GMT
When you use it like a noun in your second paragraph, it should be capitalized... just saying...  |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 20, 2013 12:09:05 GMT
Just as an update, after a little discussion with the mods we've (Well, I did, blame me) decided to filter racial slurs. While cussing is one thing, racial slurs have too much baggage around them that we'd rather not deal with. This is not Storm Front or La Raza, so I really can't see a need to these words. I personally don't see it being an issue.
That stated, we've decided that if it's intergral to a story, part of a news story or relevant to event then relating them on the forum is okay. This is on a case by case basis and not an invitation for rants with racial bias laden language. The mods will use their judgement on discerning what's appropriate, please respect their decision on any issue.
Thank you.
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