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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 9, 2013 2:28:56 GMT
Sorry, I'm a martial arts and gun geek. I think these two are awesome and this series is going to be epic. Just had to share.
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Post by Ten Eight on Nov 9, 2013 10:31:03 GMT
Funker Tactical puts out good videos. This will be a good series.
Imho, even though I love carrying a firearm for self-defense, a knife is at least equal to if not greater than a pistol at realistic self defense ranges. One just has to be willing to defend one's self with a knife. I think that's the biggest roadblock for most people when it comes to carrying a knife for self-defense.
I can't remember the last time I was able to draw and fire effectively from iwb concealment on a subject during training before getting pointy thinged to death. I've only managed to shoot a knife wielder a few times from a pocket draw with my hand already loitering near my pocket, and with my OWB duty holster. And that's only from a straight on attacker, not one from behind.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 10, 2013 15:09:07 GMT
I too have thought and practice close range knife work for self defense. It takes me, at my best, 2.5 seconds to draw a gun from concealment. I can deploy a knife in 1-1.5 seconds. For contact range I prefer a self defense knife because it allows me to redirect the other persons weapon. I've never seen a single person out draw a drawn weapon before the offending weapon can come into play.
I practice redirection then deployment, I can do both at once with a knife. For the most part.
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Post by Ten Eight on Nov 11, 2013 16:13:50 GMT
I laugh at myself. For some reason I won't spend $300-400 on a quality Emerson or similar defensive blade, even though I won't hesitate to spend money on another EDC firearm or parts, knowing full well that a blade is realistically a better choice. I'm still stuck on the, "Taurus's are cool" level of knife knowledge and quality level of ownership of knives.
Sigh.
I really like the small Clinchpick type fixed blades with straight edge that allow you to stab and slash. I'm not a fan (granted, my knowledge is limited) of the Kabar Tdi type knifes that look like all they let you do is slash.
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Post by RTF Squared on Nov 13, 2013 3:55:47 GMT
One just has to be willing to defend one's self with a knife. I think that's the biggest roadblock for most people when it comes to carrying a knife for self-defense. I put some thought into this and that's exactly what I'm personally experiencing. I thought about it some more and decided that I despise the thought of using a knife for self defense. I wondered why I hate the thought so much. I hate the idea of having to shoot and kill somebody to save my life, but not nearly as much as stabbing/cutting somebody. I then put thought into two things, Grossman's "On Killing" and the perceptions on the two different weapons and their nature. In the former, Grossman states it's scientifically proven that the greater the distance between defender and attacker in a warlike scenario the easier it is to detach from the reality of killing somebody. I thought about WWII (much of "On Killing's statistics are based on WWII) and the idea of affixing a bayonet and using it. That would suck. If I'm using a blade on somebody, it's a much more dangerous and personal fight. Then the perception on a pistol vs a knife. I have the mental set of the gun as the "good guys" weapon in general. If a gun is carried it is in the hands of either a police officer or at the bare minimum somebody who can legally buy a gun in my state. Also the gun is a distance weapon. If I select a gun over a knife as a defensive weapon, I'm at "gun range," which allows mental distance, vs "knife range," which sounds a lot stabbier, bloodier and less survivable. I then factored in my mental set on the knife as a weapon which is perceived for whatever reason as the "bad guys" choice. Guys that will straight prison shank or face-slice a moefaux use a blade. People who aren't bothered by the idea of being covered in somebody else's blood when they stab them in the throat. All of this adds up to why I have never carried a weaponized knife. I carry all kinds of stuff, including a knife I mainly use for cutting fruit and Paracord, and I now know my personal reasons why. My reasoning is probably a bit off. I realized in that train of thought that if I had to kill to live and couldn't use a gun I'd rather try to beat somebody down with my 2 AA Steamlight than stab them especially considering the knife I carry is a horrible choice of weapon. Moral of the story: time to modify mindset and training. I've somewhat allowed the gun to be a security blanket, although I am the weapon, and most importantly must always avoid and deescalate conflict, I have restricted my choice of tool greatly. Yay, time for more expensive training and weapons I will hopefully never need!
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Post by Ten Eight on Nov 13, 2013 18:11:39 GMT
Good post RTF. On Killing and On Combat were good books. I own both.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 15, 2013 12:19:22 GMT
Big take away "But nota too mash." I Love Northern Italians. Married one.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 15, 2013 12:27:54 GMT
For some reason I'm having an edit issue. Anyway, my comments. I don't agree with dropping to your back. That assumes there is only one aggressor, if there is only one, okay but I'm not counting on it. I do not want to drink out of a sippy cup after taking a soccer kick to the head. I constant tell my guys to circle, get off line and move. Movement is your friend. Moving in a circle is your best friend. Never back peddle, always go left or go right in a circular motion in or out depending on if you need to make range or create range. Keep moving. It's much more difficult to hit and get distance on a moving target. When he was attacked from the back, he remained stationary and focused on the quick draw. I don't like that, I would have moved left or right, blocked/redirect the knife then go for the gun when distance allows. Again, I disagree with the roll and draw. There is just too much to go wrong especially having your legs in between the aggressor and the muzzle. I'm still down with these guys and will be watching this series. I personally have different tactics.
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Post by Ten Eight on Nov 16, 2013 0:14:07 GMT
I agree. I don't agree with falling to your back. You could fall back into a car, hard ass concrete, a bench, etc. I circle off the X, and I don't depend on a quick draw. Hopefully Instructor Zero is just showing the quick draw methodology, and will move on to "getting off the X".
Good video none the less.
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Post by RTF Squared on Nov 16, 2013 1:29:27 GMT
I see the logic behind the rolling on the ground or dropping on your back and I was Instructor Zero, I would do it. It was the difference between narrowly not getting shanked and Doug just running by. He did it smoothly and effectively, he's obviously done this at least twice. But as a normal dude I'm not trying it. I'm not going to have much fun with Swiss Cheese feet. I would be awesome to be that well trained though. I need to get on it.
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 18, 2013 23:58:42 GMT
Then the perception on a pistol vs a knife. I have the mental set of the gun as the "good guys" weapon in general. If a gun is carried it is in the hands of either a police officer or at the bare minimum somebody who can legally buy a gun in my state. Also the gun is a distance weapon. If I select a gun over a knife as a defensive weapon, I'm at "gun range," which allows mental distance, vs "knife range," which sounds a lot stabbier, bloodier and less survivable. I then factored in my mental set on the knife as a weapon which is perceived for whatever reason as the "bad guys" choice. Guys that will straight prison shank or face-slice a moefaux use a blade. People who aren't bothered by the idea of being covered in somebody else's blood when they stab them in the throat. It doesn't necessarily have to be a violent confrontation between a ' Good Guy' or a ' Bad Guy', they could both be Bad Guys. Chances are actually pretty good that they might both be Bad Guys. Criminals are constantly getting into arguments and jacking each other up. One of them is probably the aggressor in this particular case though. They may even both be Good Guys that are in conflict based on a side they've chosen, because of a mistake one of them made in identifying themselves or because they don't know what's in the other guys head and they perceived him or her as a threat. Chances are less that this is the case, but I've heard of cases of mistaken identity and blue-on-blue incidents. Or the knife might have been all the one Good Guy had to work with. wgntv.com/2013/08/08/suspected-burglar-stabbed-to-death-by-homeowner-in-west-pullman/Burglar breaks in, homeowner just has a sharp fishing knife and a family to protect and stabs the crap out of him while his wife's on the phone with the police. I guess if the police got there pretty quick they might be forgiven if they shot the guy with the knife while he was stabbing the burglar based on the idea that a knife is usually a criminals weapon, but it would be the wrong move in this particular scenario.
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Post by shiddymunkie on Nov 25, 2013 4:10:07 GMT
For some reason I'm having an edit issue. Anyway, my comments. I don't agree with dropping to your back. That assumes there is only one aggressor, if there is only one, okay but I'm not counting on it. I do not want to drink out of a sippy cup after taking a soccer kick to the head. I constant tell my guys to circle, get off line and move. Movement is your friend. Moving in a circle is your best friend. Never back peddle, always go left or go right in a circular motion in or out depending on if you need to make range or create range. Keep moving. It's much more difficult to hit and get distance on a moving target. When he was attacked from the back, he remained stationary and focused on the quick draw. I don't like that, I would have moved left or right, blocked/redirect the knife then go for the gun when distance allows. Again, I disagree with the roll and draw. There is just too much to go wrong especially having your legs in between the aggressor and the muzzle. I'm still down with these guys and will be watching this series. I personally have different tactics. This makes a lot of sense to me. I'm obviously no expert on either knife or gun fighting, but it seems that drawing a weapon isn't always going to be your best first move. You aren't always going to have adequate time to draw your weapon before the assailant can land an attack. In fact, that'll probably be the case more often than not (i.e. being ambushed in some fashion). In those situations, instead of tying up your body (and mind) with attempting to draw when you know you don't have enough time to, you can instead use those things to create a better opportunity to retrieve you weapon once that initial attack has been diverted.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Dec 4, 2013 12:27:48 GMT
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Jan 11, 2014 17:23:07 GMT
Nice basics.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Jan 11, 2014 19:00:30 GMT
Just in case you dint think he be legit.
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