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Post by Gingerbread Man on Oct 15, 2015 10:22:00 GMT
After the flooding here in SC we were under a boil water advisory. No big deal, stored water saved the day but I was thinking, how long will the box of soap bars last? How much dish washing liquid are you going to need? Shampoo? How about toilet paper?
Let's say that boil water turned into don't even turn the taps on. Chemical spill to some strange water borne pathogen* could stop the tap water from being any good. Couple that with the roads being flooded or washed out and you're not getting to the store nor are the trucks coming to the store.
So how's it getting done? Extra soap, manner to replace/manufacture? Will any soap do? TP for the bung hole?
Quick thought, I bet a telephone book and it's thin pages would be an ok supply of TP. For the bung hole.
*Spawn of Cthulhu? Could happen....
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Post by Browning35 on Oct 15, 2015 11:22:38 GMT
Whore's bath off of stored water would be our method of cleaning up if the water were shut off or greatly contaminated.
Pour stored water into large bowl, heat it, wet wash cloth, scrub all over, soap the more stinky parts sparingly (too much soap and you won't be able to rinse with a gallon jug and you'll have to bust out another) and then get into tub and rinse.
We have a bunch of spare toilet paper and even 5 gallon buckets and sealable lids if it came to that, but phone books and newspaper would work.
Or heat up 4-5 gallons of water and stick it in the tub and have one family member after another go in. My cousins lived in Yemen in the 70's (water restrictions) and oddly enough they were just talking about that on Facebook. The water will get gross, but it'll work.
Only works if you have stored water, but we do.
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Post by nxp on Oct 15, 2015 13:20:44 GMT
Bleach. No for realz, bleach solves a multitude of sins when it comes to nasty or questionable water. I swear to Moses I can tasted like .001ppm after so many instances of either having to drink or treat questionable 3rd world water. My nose/tongue has been hyper calibrated to that crap.
I vote with B35 on a bleach water treated bowl, using as little water as possible. For bathroom duties it'd be a higher concentration of bleach with a rag that could be soaked/minimal soap and rotated as often as possible so as to keep it from being completely nasty (anyone that's done the whole cloth diaper thing with kids knows how this goes). The trick is do the whole squat poop thing to keep as much nasty off the cheek/bung as possible which could be a treat teaching kids, but it can be done. Less poop to scrub the longer the rag lasts.
I'd save soap for laundry duties and general hygiene (WB as mentioned above) but these would be extended intervals and offset by an oldschool "whore's bleach bath" to knock down icky skin loving bacteria on a day to day basis.
So yeah. Bleach. Shit's magic.
ETA -
Soap: Fels-Naptha, works for damn near everything (can be shaved for washers if you have power). Cheap, stores well, can be used for a bunch of crap. Cheap insurance with Bleach. Oh and a box or two of Borax. Am I the only one with this crap in the wash room?
2x ETA - Seriously, doesn't everyone know how to use the 3 Shells?
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Post by LowKey on Oct 15, 2015 13:43:29 GMT
Depending on where you are and the geology of your land, put in a hand driven well. Even if all you get access to is water which right now you'd consider unacceptable in an emergency you might be very glad of it. Slow sand filter to get the chunks out and reduce microbes, finish off wiht a bit of bleach if you're still in doubt. Hand pump for "no electrical power" reliability.
BTW, phone book paper will make horrible unless you spend a good bit of time crumpling it up over and over again until it's both soft (and more to the point) "fuzzy" enough to get the poo to adhere to it. Until then it's John Wayne.
As t the idea of "how much soap", and whatnot, just do the math. Shelf life of the item, storage space you have available for the item, ect. Franky I don't think a few dozen cases of soap would be too hard to put away in the attic (protect from rodents). Look into powdered bleach (the liquid stuff has a limited shelf life).
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Post by Browning35 on Oct 15, 2015 13:46:44 GMT
Yeah, been bleaching the stored water too. This water isn't for drinking (have a stack of store bought water bottle cases in the closet and I'm about to add a 55 gallon water barrel/pump in the garage for that), it's for washing and possibly flushing the toilet. Mostly using washed out tea jugs. Added four more since the pic was taken. About one a week and either we'd just throw them away or they'd get tossed in the recycling can. Only thing it costs is the water to wash and fill them and then the bleach. My wife thinks I'm a nut, but that's nothing new.
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Post by LowKey on Oct 15, 2015 13:49:05 GMT
Yeah, been bleaching the stored water too. This water isn't for drinking (have a stack of store bought water bottle cases in the closet and I'm about to add a 55 gallon water barrel/pump in the garage for that), it's for washing and possibly flushing the toilet. Mostly using washed out tea jugs. Added four more since the pic was taken. About one a week and either we'd just throw them away or they'd get tossed in the recycling can. Only thing it costs is the water to wash and fill them and then the bleach. My wife thinks I'm a nut, but that's nothing new. Check the local coke or pepsi distributors for used syrup barrels. I used to get a few for free from them from time to time, just needed a good wash and soak (only contained food grade syrups). *Edited to add* Oh, you could also add a full sized inline water tank. FIFO concept. Muni supply side in (one way valve and shut off), house supply side on the other. That would leave you with a "X" gallon buffer.
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Post by Browning35 on Oct 15, 2015 13:53:13 GMT
Hmm, cool. I'll check it out. There's one just a few miles away.
I was just gonna go buy one in Richardson at this survival store and hadn't gotten around to it.
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Post by as556 on Oct 15, 2015 14:11:50 GMT
Putting some vaseline on your butt will help the #2 slide out with almost no residue. Only takes 2-3 sheets to clean up or just preserve your cloth for longer. I have a bottle of Dawn, bleach, a pack of TP and 5-6 cases of bottled water and maybe 10 gallon jugs in storage but that's about it.
I haven't really put much thought into this question but I'm fairly confident I could survive for months provided I have water, basic food and some baby wipes. Shower shmower.
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Post by dannusmaximus on Oct 15, 2015 14:53:27 GMT
I got two free food grade barrels from a local company that makes heat and eat foods, definitely check around your area, B35. Sometimes all you have to do is ask. Good idea from Lowkey. A local bakery also gives away the 5 gallon buckets (with lids) they get icing in. Great for storing dry goods.
As far as body cleanin', plain old water will go a long way as long as it's just your average grit and grime. I've water-only bathed weeks worth of backpacking nastiness away with good results. You won't smell april fresh like you would with soap, but it still does a good job.
Dishwashing can be done with just plain water too, unless you're cooking extremely greasy foods. Wash your plates and utensils in plain water (and then drink the water, no reason to waste), and when you're boiling water for the next meal dunk the plates from the previous meal into the boiling water for about a 5 count. I used this method for every meal I ate during a two week backpacking trip, and it worked well.
And Tony, due respect, but pre-greasing my ass to make wiping easier sounds... ugh. Not saying it doesn't work, just saying...
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Post by nxp on Oct 15, 2015 14:55:52 GMT
Check the local coke or pepsi distributors for used syrup barrels. I used to get a few for free from them from time to time, just needed a good wash and soak (only contained food grade syrups). *Edited to add* Oh, you could also add a full sized inline water tank. FIFO concept. Muni supply side in (one way valve and shut off), house supply side on the other. That would leave you with a "X" gallon buffer. Commonly known as "corney kegs", these are now near impossible to find on the free/cheap as homebrewing pretty much scarfed up all the excess inventory once the big boys switched over to the plastic cubetainers for syrups over a decade ago. Pepsi uses the ball-lock standard, standard tools can take them apart; Coke uses the Pin-lock standard, which needs some "modified" sockets to disassemble (easy to make). Cheapest I've seen for used, non-reconditioned pin-locks with damaged handle sets typically run about 35.00/5gal if in stock. Ball-lock usually go for around 50 as they're more desirable from a HB perspective (kegs are narrower and taller allowing for more to be stacked vs the Coke/Pinlock kegs that are short/fat). For water storage around the house I make sure that the bottles are recycle code 1 (PET/E) as they have the least amount of O2 permeability of the plastics which can knock down the time of letting icky-nasties take hold. We use those 4gal "disposable" watercooler bottles, they run about 5 bucks and change, and provided you don't puncture the top you can snap it off and re-use it to seal the bottle once you refill. The clarity allows me to make sure the levels are still good, and provide visual confirmation that nothing's gone green. I also have the luxury of a washer for it as I made one that works with both my kegs and the bottles (which I sometimes use as fermenters for low krausen yeasts like wines). Edit - and somehow my idiot self managed to like my own post when I was trying to like DM's general disgust of the pre-lubed bung hole... questionable, possibly accurate, not sure if troll......
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Post by as556 on Oct 15, 2015 14:57:11 GMT
Lube for all the things! Haha I noticed this after wiping a bit too aggressively and then using vaseline. Later, after using the restroom again I noticed there was practically zero waste on the TP.
[insert "The more you know..." meme]
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Post by LowKey on Oct 15, 2015 18:14:40 GMT
Check the local coke or pepsi distributors for used syrup barrels. I used to get a few for free from them from time to time, just needed a good wash and soak (only contained food grade syrups). *Edited to add* Oh, you could also add a full sized inline water tank. FIFO concept. Muni supply side in (one way valve and shut off), house supply side on the other. That would leave you with a "X" gallon buffer. Commonly known as "corney kegs", these are now near impossible to find on the free/cheap as homebrewing pretty much scarfed up all the excess inventory once the big boys switched over to the plastic cubetainers for syrups over a decade ago. Pepsi uses the ball-lock standard, standard tools can take them apart; Coke uses the Pin-lock standard, which needs some "modified" sockets to disassemble (easy to make). Cheapest I've seen for used, non-reconditioned pin-locks with damaged handle sets typically run about 35.00/5gal if in stock. Ball-lock usually go for around 50 as they're more desirable from a HB perspective (kegs are narrower and taller allowing for more to be stacked vs the Coke/Pinlock kegs that are short/fat). For water storage around the house I make sure that the bottles are recycle code 1 (PET/E) as they have the least amount of O2 permeability of the plastics which can knock down the time of letting icky-nasties take hold. We use those 4gal "disposable" watercooler bottles, they run about 5 bucks and change, and provided you don't puncture the top you can snap it off and re-use it to seal the bottle once you refill. The clarity allows me to make sure the levels are still good, and provide visual confirmation that nothing's gone green. I also have the luxury of a washer for it as I made one that works with both my kegs and the bottles (which I sometimes use as fermenters for low krausen yeasts like wines). Edit - and somehow my idiot self managed to like my own post when I was trying to like DM's general disgust of the pre-lubed bung hole... questionable, possibly accurate, not sure if troll...... Sorry bro, wasn't talking about corney kegs I was talking about these...
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Post by LowKey on Oct 15, 2015 18:18:48 GMT
Lube for all the things! Haha I noticed this after wiping a bit too aggressively and then using vaseline. Later, after using the restroom again I noticed there was practically zero waste on the TP. [ insert "The more you know..." meme] Let's not use the word, "insert" in connection with posts discussing Vaseline and anal orifices, 'mkay? At least not without you buying us dinner and drinks first. LOTS and LOTS of drinks..
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Post by dannusmaximus on Oct 15, 2015 19:05:57 GMT
The picture LowKey linked to is (I think) exactly what my freebie barrels look like. The only difference is there is a metal ring which clamps around the top and holds the lid tight to the body of the barrel, so the entire lid comes off. Makes it really easy to clean and fill. They held pre cut tomatoes, but cleaned up very nicely with no residual color, smell, or taste imparted to the water I'm storing.
I drilled a hole in mine and put a spigot near the bottom for ease of draining.
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Post by dannusmaximus on Oct 15, 2015 19:09:19 GMT
...I noticed this after wiping a bit too aggressively and then using vaseline... I haz no smiley to convey my feelings about this sentence...
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