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Post by shiddymunkie on Nov 8, 2013 3:00:49 GMT
Colorado is home of some of the nations most deadly, and most publicized, mass shootings in the United States (see Columbine High School Massacre and Aurora Theater Shooting). And in the wake of similar tragedies, the issue of 2nd amendment rights has never been more divided among the people here. Some of the below examples may come as a shock to those who do not live in Colorado, but this is the magnitude of the "division" we are talking about. It all began with Governor Hickenlooper and a Democratic-lead Senate hastily ramming through a series of poorly-drafted gun control bills in the wake of Sandy Hook. As a result: 1. Governor Hickenlooper's facebook is overrun by disgruntled citizens for over 9 months (and counting) 2. 55 of Colorado's 64 Sheriffs sue the Governor3. Beloved Magpul leaves Colorado4. Colorado sees its first recall election since becoming a state in 1876. But not just one recall election, two of them. And those weren't merely symbolic gestures of disapproval, both were successfully executed, causing the immediate removal of Senator Giron and Senate President Morse. 5. While a result of several issues, gun control most definitely contributed to 11 Colorado counties attempting to succeed from the rest of the state (more specifically the government who run its) to create a 51st. So that sets the stage -- with those who see these shootings as reason for even stricter gun control on one side, and those who see the shootings as reason to exercise their 2A rights other side. So where do you stand on the issue of gun control, public safety, and the second amendment? What sort of preparation would you say this sort of situation calls for? |
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Post by redeyes on Nov 8, 2013 9:18:34 GMT
My solution for Colorado is the same as everywhere else. Allow adults to carry firearms everywhere. The only places that should be allowed to disallow whatever form of carry a citizen chose, are private property and places with trained armed security and metal detectors at every entrance and a goodly number of trained armed security roaming the halls and rooms.
Due to budget constraints, armed security is often nonexistent or inadequate at schools. Civilians who can pass a background check and yearly training classes should be allowed and encouraged to volunteer to be armed security. One of the ways they should be encouraged is a tax deduction.
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Post by RTF Squared on Nov 8, 2013 9:28:53 GMT
You neglected to mention the third recall in progress for Evie Hudak. Honestly, my preparation in response to the legislation has been minimal. I bought a few more Glockazines and rounded up a small pile of AR15 mags for my stripped lower that has yet to magically past it's current phase. I can still buy mags from my evidently civilly disobedient LGS at a small discount since I'm the Kydex dood which puts me squarely at pre-panic pricing. I order 9mm online instead of buying locally since brass is still a little high and steel is vaporware. I have tried to do the best to make the most of my range trips, but thanks to reasonable online steel I get to shoot pistol like usual again. I have been on a much lower overall gunpowdercalorie diet. I have fired less than 500 rounds through my M&P 15-22 all of 2013, which was about 1/3 of an average round count range trip that happened bi-monthly. I don't even bring it to the range anymore. Definitely will not be posting a five figure round count this year.
I really don't think these laws will be around long. Most LEOs in the area have I spoken will not enforce them at all. I ended up speaking very briefly with Larimer Sheriff Justin Smith when I was shocked to see the "Sheriff's Office" phone number was actually answered by the freaking sheriff. I asked him if importing "magazine rebuild kits" was ok and he sounded like I asked the stupidest damned question ever when he said yes. Idiot politicians and fear mongers aside the people seem pretty well undivided on the issue. My only issue is with the people who destroyed the marked on mags and ammo. I can't believe 99 dollar PMags were actually being ought and sold less than a year ago.
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Post by omegaman on Nov 8, 2013 13:50:38 GMT
rtf brings up a good point. Maybe one of the last lines of defense from an oppressive gummit will be our local sheriffs and LEOs who refuse to enforce unconstitution laws. Unless, I guess, you're in NM and suspected of having dope in 'yer bunghole...
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Post by RTF Squared on Nov 8, 2013 17:27:28 GMT
My solution for Colorado is the same as everywhere else. Allow adults to carry firearms everywhere. The only places that should be allowed to disallow whatever form of carry a citizen chose, are private property and places with trained armed security and metal detectors at every entrance and a goodly number of trained armed security roaming the halls and rooms. Due to budget constraints, armed security is often nonexistent or inadequate at schools. Civilians who can pass a background check and yearly training classes should be allowed and encouraged to volunteer to be armed security. One of the ways they should be encouraged is a tax deduction. I agree for the most part, except the part in bold. Fortunately we have legal college carry here, so I don't have to rely on the flashlight and whistle of the "public safety officers." I don't believe monetarily incentivizing carry is a good idea. Carry is a very personal choice that shouldn't be forced on anybody, the vast majority of people do not have the mindset to safely and effectively carry a gun. Training will always help, but seeking it out should be a decision based on pure mindset, not "Uncle Sam will take a little less money out of my pocket if I carry a deadly weapon." On that note, I'd be a lying if I said the mass shootings didn't drastically change my mindset on how, what and why to carry. It went from "carry a gun every day" to "carry a gun and a couple spare mags every second of every day." My EDC kit is starting to look pretty ridiculous. |
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Post by redeyes on Nov 8, 2013 20:15:42 GMT
They would only get the tax deduction if they volunteered to be school security. They would sign up for a program and training much like volunteer fire fighters. ETA Then they would sign up for shifts. Based on how many shifts they work is what the tax deduction would be.
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Post by shiddymunkie on Nov 9, 2013 0:43:46 GMT
Ah yes, Hudak, the legislator who openly mocked a rape victim for suggesting that having a firearm might have prevented her from being raped. Classy lady. I'm glad to see so many LEO's on the side of the people, as that in itself has done a great deal to show others the legitimacy of law-abiding citizens wanting firearms. Luckily I had purchased enough <15 round mags to last me a few Governors just before those bills passed. Low on ammo, though. |
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Post by Ten Eight on Nov 9, 2013 9:18:01 GMT
Ah yes, Hudak, the legislator who openly mocked a rape victim for suggesting that having a firearm might have prevented her from being raped. Classy lady. I'm glad to see so many LEO's on the side of the people, as that in itself has done a great deal to show others the legitimacy of law-abiding citizens wanting firearms. Luckily I had purchased enough <15 round mags to last me a few Governors just before those bills passed. Low on ammo, though. I'm not even from CO, and that totally pissed me off. How degrading. |
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Post by shiddymunkie on Nov 11, 2013 4:29:56 GMT
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Post by RTF Squared on Nov 11, 2013 17:48:38 GMT
Lots of big city money coming in and their well funded initiatives are failing when brought to the citizens. I'm amazed by how well we are dealing with this legislation by the Democratic process. I feel this is kind of a gray area since technically illegal, but I am amazed by the civil disobedience, loopholes being worked and law enforcement's support for it all. A lot of people on both sides of the control topic have stated Colorado would be a turning point, and I think it is. We're not taking it, like 80's hair metal bands.
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Post by Ten Eight on Nov 11, 2013 18:44:37 GMT
Isn't Hudak in a much more conservative district than the districts that recalled the first two communists? Hopefully the outside money will be all for naught like it was for the first go around.
Edit: And yea, I find myself carrying around two spare 15 round 10mm mags now, regardless of the "area". I didn't use to do that before. The Vertx pants/shorts have nice internal pockets in the side cargo pockets that accommodate two mags nicely. You don't really notice the extra weight.
When our economy goes all 2001 Argentina, I could see having to wear some sort of soft armor to work every day underneath your work clothes, due to the extreme rise in crime. That time is really is going to suck whenever it rolls around.
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