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Post by Gingerbread Man on Jun 17, 2015 12:01:34 GMT
First post lost to inability to copy/pasta.  Anywho, I like to shoot fast and accurately. The 'Mad Minute' was something that the Brits claimed they could perform with their Enfield rifles. I always thought it was a bit 'extraordinary' however I was not there so I held my tongue as not to offend. I find the Enfleid a fast and accurate bolt action however it does have mechanical hurdles. I guess some other folks have doubted this claim as well. |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Jun 17, 2015 12:07:29 GMT
Those Fins are using extremely slicked up guns, well drilled and using modern ammo. I think it's easy to say there is some exaggeration to the minute. Eric of Moss Pawn was going fast with blanks but those have no recoil and I don't believe he'd have hit the broad side of anything.
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Post by Browning35 on Jun 17, 2015 13:50:20 GMT
I think the mad minute standard on an Enfield is possible. Here's a guy that does 14 shots on an Enfield manipulating the bolt/trigger normally. bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2014/05/santiago-does-the-mad-minute-with-authentic-lee-enfield/Here's another shooters that greatly exceeds it. However I think it requires a shitload of practice on it and for the vast majority of people today the Enfield is a side gun, a curiousity that they shoot a little here and there. Not their main gun that they're training on for 20 years with the Queen (most likely the subjects) paying for the ammo. Possible yes, can most people do it who just shoot the Enfield occasionally? No. For many of the Brit recruits it was probably something to strive for. Drill Instructor to trainee...' Jesus, son..me old sergeant could put 38 down in a minute. What's wrong with you?!!!'. The instructors (who were probably chosen for their great hand-eye coordinaton and Topperwein, Mikulek or McGivern-like ability to run the gun smoothly and accurately, they had a whole Empire and army to draw instructors from) then showed the soldiers the mad minute when they went through basic training and then they were expected to do it (with most of the recruits failing). ' Whoops, almost got that day pass...keep trying lad'. Even if they couldn't do the full 15 rds in a minute 11 or 12 hits at that distance in a minute for being in the army for a year or two is awesome with a bolt. This trick-like ability was then transferred to the whole British Army and now there are doubters that it was possible to begin with. So I do think it's possible, but I believe it's for a master of the Enfield and someone who possesses extremely good reflexes and hand-eye coordination to start with. |
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Post by nxp on Jun 17, 2015 14:49:40 GMT
I'm with B35 - it could be possible, given practice and with a very slick gun using adequate support (provided you don't eat the bolt when cycling). The biggest hurdle is reloading, which like any skill set would require technique and repetition to effectively learn. I'm reminded of the youtube of the dude reloading an SKS off a stripper so fast it would seriously rival some mag changes. Dude was stupid fast, like Houdini fast. Imma see if I can find it later, it was impressive.
In the video above, he's averaging about a shot a second which is completely doable with full support - he loose the bulk of his time on the reload. If he can get the well full in 2 seconds and step up the cadence a tick on the shot he could easily make the goal.
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Post by Browning35 on Jun 17, 2015 15:11:47 GMT
Yeah, the guy in the video above pulls it off (29 shots in a minute when he only had to do 15).
So he greatly exceeds it, but he's cheating though, manual says four rds in the rifle to start with.
The target is right though.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Jun 17, 2015 15:28:10 GMT
A Mad Minute event was held in Soknedal, Norway, on May 30, 2015,[update] featuring some of the best stang shooters in the country.[4] The competition is called the "Mad Minute Challenge"[1], and was shot at a round 40 cm diameter target at 200 meters (6.9 moa / 2 mils), making the target smaller than original. The winner, Thomas Høgåsseter, scored 36 hits. The average score, of 11 shooters, was 29.
While I think it's possible for some well trained I seriously doubt it was a norm. Like you guys are saying, with well drilled, slick it, and an on point Sgt. Sure, the average troop, meh, I'm thinking they maybe able to work the action but 200-300m hits, Mmmm, I'm suspect.
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Post by Browning35 on Jun 17, 2015 15:44:30 GMT
No, I totally don't think it was the norm for the average soldier.
Badge of honour for senior enlisted soldiers with the time, inclination and ammo. Like NXP and that guy in the video said you're going to lose the most time on reloads, so they probably sanded their stripper clips like the guy above did and there were probably other tricks of the trade.
I (like most other guys who buy Enfields) tried it out and I always fell slightly short. Always felt like I could've accomplished it if I put in the time and ammo, but I had a bunch of other guns that needed shooting and that Enfield was just a once in awhile shooter.
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