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Post by Gingerbread Man on Mar 26, 2015 12:30:09 GMT
AAR Sage Dynamics Force on Force Simuntions course. 21 March, 2015
Day started with a whimper at 5 am for me. I needed to get started early to make it to Atlanta on time. Welp, good thing I planned on getting there early because a truck hit a bridge and there were inspectors checking it out. Which left me sitting in traffic for a good 45 minutes. So I arrived 20 minutes into the power point presentation about general anatomy and the relevant areas of interest for the self defense shooter. Basically, the head is the only immediate off switch. The high upper chest is a good target but will not offer an immediate stop. The hips are a small target and can not be relied on for a mobility kill. As always, shoot what's available until the aggressor stops doing what they were doing that made you start shooting them. Practice head shot for five yards or less. Good information and he challenged us to get better hit and be better shooters.
Then came a brief safety discussion about proper PPE for simuntions. The only required item was the helmet and some form of groin protection as the sims can cause permanent injuries to those areas. There were chest protectors, gloves, helmets and other assorted PPE items. I opted for the helmet and a towel for a groin protector. No chest protection or gloves.
We moved outside for some force on force drills. I was first roled as an aggressor. The very first drill was to attack the defender with a rubber knife at a full sprint. My defender did a great job; drew on me and tagged me twice. One round was a center punch to my diaphragm and the second a few inches higher and to my left landing at the apex of my heart. Well, I wasn't really shot but wow, those hurt. I think those would have taken the fight out of my if they were real because it changed my channel from I want to stab this guy to ow! that hurt. The sims left a couple of good welts.
Next drill was a head faker for them. We were instructed to run towards them and take no action. I was sort of funny because they instantly got amped up and started shouting commands. I turned to my guy and said what the hell is wrong with you, I'm just jogging. One guy drew down on his jogger. Illustrates a point, 99.99% of things are not a threat.
Then we switched it up and we were placed on our back with with our hands over our eyes. This was to simunate being knocked on our ass and having to immediately fight. I opened my eyes to see a man on top of me coming down with a knife. I drew and lathered him from the lower chest to his upper chest with about six sims. He fell back and I took a second and stood up. I told him to drop the knife and he gave me a "real" world ok, stop, I'm down. I'm down. I think he was really hurrt, I felt bad.
The last drill for us we were instructed to turn around and we were armed with a friend who was armed. We turned around to find a man stabbing another man. He got the first stab off and I drew. I paused for a moment expecting my partner to blast him as well, welp, he didn't so I gave a command and the second stab began. I thought, no time to waste and began lathering him in the high upper torso as it was presented to me. Well, high upper in this case from the angle that I had was his right shoulder. I fired 3 sims and began to move off line as my partner began pumping out sims. The stabber began to fall and I moved to assist the victim. I shouted call 911, told my partner to disarm the stabber and we generally started to control the situtation. This drill illustrated that not every high upper torso will present perfectly. We lathered the crap out of his shoulder too. I guess somewhere around 10 sims, that had to hurt.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Mar 26, 2015 13:17:17 GMT
We moved on to scenerio based training. We were given real world incidents to work through, most were no shoots. I'm going to go through the ones that I participated in and discuss lessons learned.
The first one of note was the bank robbery. I was playing crowd control as a robber as the other robber went to the teller. The player was to enter the line and wait for the situation to develop. I burst out and told everyone to grab pavement and covered them with 2 pistols, that's right, akimbo bitch. I told them that we were there for the money and it's not about them. They're were a few people that looked up at me and I yelled at them for them to look at the pavement. I went so far as to stand over the player trying to provoke him into a gun battle. He did the wise thing and swallowed his pride doing nothing.
There were a few others but I've posted videos on those. I apologize for not getting them all, I have a tripod on the way. Anyway, I'm going to get my first scenerio. I was to walk into my hotel room and as I approached the door to the room was open. I saw shadows and pressed out to the other wall and looked in to find a man with a knife sawing at the throat of another man who was slummed against the wall. I commanded him to drop the knife, he instantly complied. I told him to get down and he said "No" in a normal tone. I began to shout another command and he walks off into the room behind a wall. YOUSONOFABITCH! I wait a moment and decide he's not getting away. I move slowly forward and pull into high retention. I do a quick scan of the bathroom which was empty. I creck the guy slummed against the wall by placing my hand on his head and he slums limp. It wasn't his day and he's done. I opt to clear the room as the victim was done. I approach slowly and pie in 10 degrees increments. Of course, he's in the blind 90 degree corner faced out to me. I press out on him and us my corner as cover. He's standing there with his hands up. YOUSONOFABITCH! I command him to get on his knees and face the wall. "No." What! WAHT! I command him again. "No, I'm not doing it" as calm as he could be. I thought, ok, I can stand here all damn day with my front sight on his nose and he's not going to move or take my commands. I opt to call 911 as I'm pressed out on his face. The scenerio was called as it would have been 30 minutes for the cops to arrive. Aaron Cowan asked me why I didn't shoot him. I look at it this way, it'd have been a shit storm with the media, the guy didn't pose an immediate threat to anyone, I wasn't going to take him down alone and at the end of the day, I'm not going to gun down anyone that's not an immediate threat.
My next scenerio was to walk through a gaggle of 7 wannabe gangster who were taunting me as I walked through them. Hey, this is just like walking to work! I kept my head down, didn't engage and kept walking. I was expecting some sort of strong arm robbery but nothing developed. Lesson: Just cause they look jinky and are assholes doesn't make them a threat.
We then had a few more situations that I've posted in videos. We then moved to action/reaction drills. You can't react fast enough to beat someone in action. If someone needs to be shot and you pull your gun, shoot. Don't wait.
The last drill was my request, I asked if we could shoot at each other while we moved. We were given 5 sims and told to make them count. If you hit all five you'd go on to the final round. I started as a target and the guy with me was young and fast. He was all over me and popped me in the ear and got four other hits. Bar set. Redeyes also got all four hits. Then it was my turn, I got all five hits too. Oh crap!
So in traditional southern fashion we were going to have a pace off duel with one shot. Redeyes and "The Kid" met back to back and paced off, they turned and fired on Aaron's command. Redeyes was fast but the kid was faster. Damn, I was up next against The Kid. Damn, we paced off and he whipped around and fired, whap! hit me but I got my round on him too. I guess this threw him of his accuracy game. We paced off again and he whipped around yet again beating me to the shot, he fired wide of me. I said HA! and drilled him in his glove which is not present would have been high upper chest. Isn't that interesting? When real world shoots are presented it's sort of out of the ordinary to get those perfect chest shots. Hands were hit, shoulders, and legs all with the intention of hitting the chest.
I highly recommend this course. The only thing I wanted to do but didn't remember to ask was non-participant movement drills.
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Post by redeyes on Mar 26, 2015 13:29:22 GMT
I don't remember much about the power point either. I remembered when they were leaning over someone to shoot them in the armpit or the head. You forgot the one where we cursed and generally heaped abuse upon the guy in front of us for taking our parking space. We weren't allowed to really aggress or swing on them, but we could insult them in the most creative ways we could think of and lightly push. I got drawn on. May have had something to do with me starting off in the Super Sayan pose screaming GODDAM IT!
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Mar 26, 2015 13:39:33 GMT
Right, I forgot about that. It was over a parking spot right? That may have been the most real world one for us, someone freaking out because your mistakenly snaked their parking spot, they're pissed and belligerent but posing no threat. No crap, that's happened to me at least 5 times in my life.
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Post by redeyes on Mar 26, 2015 14:39:32 GMT
So yeah, we had three scenarios to start off with. The first was them jogging towards us with their cell phones out. That didn't really mess with me as I see that all the time. The second was us lying on our backs with our eyes closed and as soon as we got the command to open our eyes them getting on top of us with a weapon. I drew from the back and got one round off. It was a contact shot to the guy's forearm, and the gun jammed. I bridged and rolled the dude off of me and thought about doing a malfunction drill but didn't do it because I thought you couldn't do that with sims guns. Happy to report that I was wrong about that. The one that messed with me was the one where they were 10 or 12 yards away with two guys stabbing the crap out of two other guys. My brain didn't process what it was seeing very fast. Pretty much everyone else reacted before I did. When I did react I managed to put 6 sims in the attackers armpit area and disarm him. So I wasn't totally useless.
My 1st personal scenario was everybody standing in line at the movie theater. I walked toward the line and met up with my friend in the shoot me first vest who was saving me a spot in line. There were two commotions going on when I got there. The guy in the front of the line was arguing with the ticket seller and a couple dudes at the end of the line were shouting for them to hurry the fuck up so they could buy tickets. I never really got in line because I don't get in lines in the traditional sense in real life anyway and this way I could keep eyes on both ends of the line easier. Basically, when everyone else has their back turned to the guy further back in line I keep one side to the guy further back and one side the guy further up. A guy at the back pulled a gun on the guy in front of him, so I side stepped to get a clear shot and lit the gunman up. I got hit in the right shoulder and the left lower abdominal area. He got 5 or six to the left upper thoracic. After taking those hits he decided to surrender and lowered himself to the ground. I stopped firing when it looked like he was breaking off hostilities and once he got to the ground ordered him to put the gun in front of him. After he complied, I ordered him not to move and kept him covered while removing the gun from his reach. I forgot to search and call 911 after the gunman had been dealt with so maybe I got a B on that scenario.
The next scenario started with me coming outside to the stairwell in front of my parking garage at work. As I came through the doors to the parking garage I saw some people walking quickly away from the interior of the garage. Their body language suggested fear. There was a snack machine and a soda machine against the wall on my right. This kept me from seeing what was going on. It was also good concealment and probably would be ok cover against pistol rounds. I got closer to the machines and drew my pistol. I used the snack machine as cover and looked out but the soda machine stuck out further than the snack machine and blocked my view. So I used the soda machine as cover and looked out. There were three guys kicking a guy on the ground. I pressed out my pistol and ordered them to get off the guy on the ground. One guy got one more kick in so I repeated the order spiced with f bombs and prepared to send a barrage of pain into the kicker. They all backed off a little ways. I told them to get further back. They did. I began to advance on the guy that had got the kicking. When I got close I told them to get the fuck out. They did. I asked the victim if he was ok, scanned and assessed and yelled to the guys at the other end of the parking garage to call 911. Only thing I messed up on was I didn't use another large appliance as a barrier in case I got charged. If I had allowed the attackers to get too close one of them was going to shank me. Probably got an A minus on that one.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Mar 27, 2015 11:49:46 GMT
Aaron continually asked if people had seen their front sight. I think I was the only one that has said yes, however other were getting hits none the less. This brings me back to a theory I have and I suspect it's Aaron's theory as well, it's all "muscle memory". Some how the body "knows" how to get hits or rather you've done it so many times that you go on a auto pilot when you're shooting and the alignment of your hand, head and hips allow you to hit the target. I was purposefully picking up my front sight with what I call a flash sight picture and once I have it I work the trigger reset. The term proprioceptions was mentioned and I believe this is true. Loads of people can do things without thinking about them and I don't think shooting is any different. I also believe people were "seeing" their front sights but the brain wasn't giving the information to the consiscous mind because ti really didn't matter. What mattered was the threat so the mjority of processing power for the mind was focused on it. I think the eyes did see the front sight it wsa just a very low priority as was external sounds and any other stimuli outside the focus. It's like a quarterback picking out the reciever, he's not focused on anything else. Just on the person he's looking for. This is one reason for the scan, to break the focus on the one person you're focused on.
I'm not sure threat focusing is a bad thing, I think practicing with poor techique is. I believe you should practice as perfectly as you can and in the very outside chance you have to shoot defensively the mind and body will work in concert to aid you accomplish the task.
No one could with authority how many shots they fired. We were running around an 80% hit rate.
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Post by LowKey on Mar 27, 2015 16:57:19 GMT
Aaron continually asked if people had seen their front sight. I think I was the only one that has said yes, however other were getting hits none the less. This brings me back to a theory I have and I suspect it's Aaron's theory as well, it's all "muscle memory". Some how the body "knows" how to get hits or rather you've done it so many times that you go on a auto pilot when you're shooting and the alignment of your hand, head and hips allow you to hit the target. I was purposefully picking up my front sight with what I call a flash sight picture and once I have it I work the trigger reset. The term proprioceptions was mentioned and I believe this is true. Loads of people can do things without thinking about them and I don't think shooting is any different. I also believe people were "seeing" their front sights but the brain wasn't giving the information to the consiscous mind because ti really didn't matter. What mattered was the threat so the mjority of processing power for the mind was focused on it. I think the eyes did see the front sight it wsa just a very low priority as was external sounds and any other stimuli outside the focus. It's like a quarterback picking out the reciever, he's not focused on anything else. Just on the person he's looking for. This is one reason for the scan, to break the focus on the one person you're focused on.
I'm not sure threat focusing is a bad thing, I think practicing with poor techique is. I believe you should practice as perfectly as you can and in the very outside chance you have to shoot defensively the mind and body will work in concert to aid you accomplish the task.
No one could with authority how many shots they fired. We were running around an 80% hit rate. Go open your front door and quickly point your finger at your mailbox. Did you miss? No. Why? Because you've been pointing at things since you first learned motor control over your extremities and tied that together with your sense of vision.
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