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Post by Gingerbread Man on Dec 9, 2014 15:49:58 GMT
There is a bit of debate on either running the charging handle during reloads or hitting the bolt release. I've never had an issue with hitting the bolt release. Some contend that it causes the bullet to nose dive out of the magazine. I've never seen it.
What's your preferred methods and why?
I hit the bolt release because it's faster and I've never had an issue. If the focus is economy of motion, the bolt catch is it.
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Post by LowKey on Dec 9, 2014 16:21:08 GMT
There is a bit of debate on either running the charging handle during reloads or hitting the bolt release. I've never had an issue with hitting the bolt release. Some contend that it causes the bullet to nose dive out of the magazine. I've never seen it. What's your preferred methods and why? I hit the bolt release because it's faster and I've never had an issue. If the focus is economy of motion, the bolt catch is it. Hit the bolt release, that's why it exists. Running the charging handle is a bad idea. 1. You risk riding the bolt with the possibility of not fully chambering a round. 2. Tell me again how fast your reload is doing this compared to hitting the bolt catch/release... If hitting the bolt release is causing rounds to "nose dive" out of the magazine you have a magazine problem, not a feeding problem. |
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Post by Browning35 on Dec 9, 2014 16:51:40 GMT
Bolt release
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Post by omegaman on Dec 9, 2014 16:59:24 GMT
Lowkey nailed it. Of course, military training is all bolt release--and I know that sometimes military dogma isn't always the best or most up-to-date technique; but, in the case of the bolt release, well, that's just how it's done.
I think in the current environment of more "tactical" instuctors to students, there is an overzealous attempt to find and build a better mousetrap to make your "training" or technique the most high-speed. Coupled with improvements over charging handle design that do allow fast one-handed manipulation (I am a BCM medium latch fanboi) it is easy to see how some will want to infer the current pistol technique (overhand vs. slide stop)to the AR, i.e. if it works best for this then why not that? (did I make any sense there?).
If there are people out there advocating for charging handle > bolt release, well, then, I call "phooey". All of the ranting about the superiority of the AR over everything else and great ergos and handling (of which I whole-heartily agree) is due in great part to the ingenious inclusion of the bolt catch/release by Mr. Stoner which keeps reloads fast and smooth and you in the fight.
Replicating training drills that require multiple reloads between an AR and AK quickly demonstrates the advantage of the bolt release. Yes, it is possible to run an AK or other side charger very fast, but that learning curve for the similar results you achieve from an AR is much much steeper; in other words, designs with a bolt release facilitate fast and natural reloads. Not mention you can keep you weapon shouldered and oriented downrange throughout the entire process without having to search, assess, and re-acquire your targets.
Just a few of my thoughts on the subject, lol!
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Post by misterdark on Dec 9, 2014 17:11:50 GMT
Get an AK. the decision is already made for you: as it should be.  ? |
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Post by as556 on Dec 9, 2014 18:45:10 GMT
I agree with Lowkey. Running the handle has too much risk of riding it and inducing a malf. I personally use BAD levers on my ARs but to each their own, if there's no BAD I use the bolt release in the traditional way. I prefer reaching up with my support thumb to depress it, though. Haven't had good luck with the palm slap method.
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Post by omegaman on Dec 9, 2014 20:07:22 GMT
Get an AK. the decision is already made for you: as it should be. ? Shut your dirty mouth  |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Dec 9, 2014 20:48:06 GMT
Get an AK. the decision is already made for you: as it should be. ? Shut your dirty mouth OH, you forgot whore, dirty mouthed whore.  |
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Post by misterdark on Dec 10, 2014 0:32:55 GMT
In communist Russia, the bolt releases YOU.
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Post by red on Dec 10, 2014 1:01:02 GMT
Bolt Release here to. The why its faster and easier/simpler that way.
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Post by nxp on Dec 10, 2014 1:39:14 GMT
I'm an idiot.
I use the charging handle - mostly because of the first sentence, but also because I find I have issues locating the bolt release when I get in a hurry. I'll readily admit that I'm not a fan of using the charging handle for the above reasons, in addition to having to break cheek weld with the stock. If Stoner had put the charging handle out front like a CETME/AUG/whathaveyou or put it on the bolt, I'd like it more - but that doesn't stop the fact that I'm stupid and have issues with the bolt release.
Give MrDark all the crap you want, I can identify with the AK and his train of thought (please see first sentence for confirmation)
I've thought about the BAD, or putting a stupid huge bolt release on it, but I find neither overly appealing.
I need more practice. Plain and simple. Or an AK.
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Post by redeyes on Dec 10, 2014 3:35:25 GMT
Bolt release, also I am a recovering slap addict.
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Post by misterdark on Dec 10, 2014 15:32:48 GMT
I am just kidding, mostly. Any and all tidbits of wisdom i can get regarding this here newfangled shootin iron (shootin plastic? ) is well appreciated!
Keep the tips comin!
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Post by RTF Squared on Dec 11, 2014 0:19:38 GMT
I've never seen the point of running the charging handle. I've always used the bolt release on my mallninja m&p 15-22.
On that note, the instructor of my last pistol class who is Yeager tactical response certified always advocated running slides and charging handles, even on tactical reloads. I agree on always running the slide on a pistol for an emergency reload, but found the rest clown shoes. The only time I got yelled at in the class was when he caught me not wastefully dumping a round on the ground after a tac reload.
Kind of OT for this discussion, but I didn't see the logic of performing an action in a way that dumped a partially full mag on the floor and needlessly sent the round in the chamber with it.
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Post by redeyes on Dec 11, 2014 1:02:58 GMT
Whut? Why the fuck would he be telling you to run the charging handle during a tactical reload? I thought a tactical reload was when you had time to reload your rifle slowly and move mags around and stuff? Maybe to make sure there is a round in the chamber?
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