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Post by NamelessStain on Aug 5, 2016 11:06:01 GMT
OK, I know I have been missing for a while. I started a new job and have been getting some other aspects of my life in order so I have had very little time for anything else at the moment. I actually got a few hours to spend with OM/OW/OB and would like to publicly thank OM for helping me with the guts of some lowers. Still need to thumb-wrestle GBM into assisting me with some paperwork for SBRs and suppressors.  I really don't want to Eff it up. |
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Post by rickoshea on Aug 6, 2016 2:28:58 GMT
Ballot referendums to repeal Calf. gun control laws gaining steamwww.guns.com/2016/08/05/ballot-referendums-to-repeal-calf-gun-control-laws-gaining-steam/The organizer behind a grassroots effort to repeal a host of new gun control measures signed into law by California Gov. Jerry Brown says they will begin circulating petitions next week.
As previously reported, San Diego businessman Barry Bahrami filed paperwork with the Secretary of State’s office on July 15 to repeal a half-dozen new laws signed by Gov. Jerry Brown earlier this month. The laws are set to take effect in 2017, but Bahrami and his fellow Second Amendment activists are planning to short circuit that from happening with the power of the ballot.
Last week Attorney General Kamala Harris’ office issued titles and summaries to the six proposals, clearing the path for petitions to circulate, and Bahrami says everything is ramping up for that to happen.
“We have more than 1,600 volunteers and 300 locations all over California who have signed up to participate in this effort. Petitions are now printing and we anticipate starting a massive petition drive around August 12th,” Bahrami told Guns.com
The task before them: gather at least 365,000 signatures from registered voters on each of the petitions and turn them into the Secretary of State’s office by Sept. 29 to qualify for the November general election, a window of just over six weeks.
A site has been setup to get the word out to the state’s estimated 13 million gun owners, provide information about the issue, a searchable map where petitions will be available and collect donations to cover costs.
“Our opponents have millions of dollars available to them,” said Bahrami. “We are all volunteer and nobody is being paid anything. But we have costs.”
Bahrami explained that printing the petitions alone cost $47,000. So far, they have raised about $33,000, all from small donations, and the businessman’s own pocket.
“Not a lot in the grand scheme of things in this theatre but for a 100 percent grass root movement, it’s ridiculously cost prohibitive,” he said, pointing out that none of the big gun rights organizations have offered financial support for the effort.
“Frankly, I prefer it this way because if we can do this without a single large donation from any one individual or special interest then the people will own this one and what a statement that will make,” he told Guns.com.
Meanwhile, Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom’s Prop. 63, to require background checks to buy ammunition and prohibit many standard detachable magazines, raised almost $4 million from big name celebrity donors and the state Democratic Party and picked up another $400,000 from Napster co-founder Sean Parker last month.
Bahrami is not discouraged.
“I am anticipating record turnout,” he says. “We are printing for one million signatures.”
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Post by as556 on Aug 12, 2016 17:01:26 GMT
Have you guys ever had to personally put your dog down? Think I may need to and feel weird about having someone else do it.
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Post by LowKey on Aug 12, 2016 17:36:01 GMT
Have you guys ever had to personally put your dog down? Think I may need to and feel weird about having someone else do it. 1991 I put down our family dog, Pepper. A Black lab-pitbull mix; sweet, strong, and dumb as a rock.....but lovable and faithful. Towards the end she was covered in tumors and growths, eaten up by cancer...food would pass through her mostly undigested. She had no energy, could barely find the strength to walk...and yet she still thumped her tail when we talked to her, she still loved her people. It was horrible seeing her fading like that. I got her into the car with me and drove out to some abandoned farmland which bordered the neighborhood we lived in when we were growing up, this was one of two places she's love to slip off to if she got out of the yard. I took her for a short walk through the trees in the windbreaks (she wasn't up to much exertion by then), and she sat there watching me as I dug a hole...thumping her tail the whole time. When the hole was dug, I removed her collar and just let her rest her head on my leg while I talked to her and stroked her head and scratched her. When she made a big sigh and started to doze off, I slid her head off my lap...all the while talking to her and telling her what a good girl she was...then put a 9mm into her head from 1 inch. She went instantly, and no more pain for her. I slid her into her grave, told her one last time how much of a good girl she was and had always been and that we all loved her, then filled the hole and left her collar on top of the site. I was a bit melancholy for the rest of that day. Don't farm out shooting your dog, it doesn't make it better..it makes it worse. It's going to be tough, but better that you be the one to do it rather than some stranger in an aseptic room that looks and smells funny. Think about it...if a human in your family needed to let go, would you rather they have their hand held by a stranger or by you? |
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Post by Browning35 on Aug 12, 2016 18:55:12 GMT
Have you guys ever had to personally put your dog down? Think I may need to and feel weird about having someone else do it. We've had to have two pets put down over the years, a dog (Oscar, half pit half boxer) and a cat (Sammy, an oci-cat - bred to look like a South American Ocilot). Before she moved on to humans my wife was a vet tech from when she was 17 on into her late 20's. So both times we took them down to the second animal hospital she worked at and petted them while the vet got a vein in their forearm and they stiffened up and went to sleep. I felt a whole lot better about it then putting a rd into their head. Not the way I wanted to remember them. To each their own, but I'd rather pay the $30-something bucks to give them (and for myself) a more peaceful send off. |
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Post by as556 on Aug 12, 2016 18:57:36 GMT
Thanks for that, Glenn. Sorry about Pepper she sounds like a great dog.
I'm going to try and rehome mine first, she has an autoimmune disorder that causes her body to attack itself it's really sad she's such a sweet dog. It would be thousands to treat and I just don't have that.
Still pretty torn about what to do.
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Post by as556 on Aug 12, 2016 18:59:30 GMT
Have you guys ever had to personally put your dog down? Think I may need to and feel weird about having someone else do it. We've had to have two pets put down over the years, a dog (Oscar, half pit half boxer) and a cat (Sammy, an oci-cat - bred to look like a South American Ocilot). Before she moved on to humans my wife was a vet tech from when she was 17 on into her late 20's. So both times we took them down to the second animal hospital she worked at and petted them while the vet got a vein in their forearm and they stiffened up and went to sleep. I felt a whole lot better about it then putting a rd into their head. Not the way I wanted to remember them. To each their own, but I'd rather pay the $30-something bucks to give them (and for myself) a more peaceful send off. That is also a very good point. Would be hard to have that be my last image of her. |
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Post by Browning35 on Aug 12, 2016 19:26:38 GMT
We've had to have two pets put down over the years, a dog (Oscar, half pit half boxer) and a cat (Sammy, an oci-cat - bred to look like a South American Ocilot). Before she moved on to humans my wife was a vet tech from when she was 17 on into her late 20's. So both times we took them down to the second animal hospital she worked at and petted them while the vet got a vein in their forearm and they stiffened up and went to sleep. I felt a whole lot better about it then putting a rd into their head. Not the way I wanted to remember them. To each their own, but I'd rather pay the $30-something bucks to give them (and for myself) a more peaceful send off. That is also a very good point. Would be hard to have that be my last image of her. Yeah, that's the part I'm talking about. With our pets I personalize them to much and they're family members. They're like little people covered in fur with a tail that I actually like way more than most people. Wouldn't want my last memory of them being like that. I mean if I just didn't have the money that'd be one thing, but I do. |
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Post by LowKey on Aug 12, 2016 21:00:39 GMT
That is also a very good point. Would be hard to have that be my last image of her. Yeah, that's the part I'm talking about. With our pets I personalize them to much and they're family members. They're like little people covered in fur with a tail that I actually like way more than most people. Wouldn't want my last memory of them being like that. I mean if I just didn't have the money that'd be one thing, but I do. I'm not criticizing your choice but I just want to clarify that I wouldn't have an issue with a round to the head for a human family member in the same or similar circumstances, myself included. For me it's not the method (as long as it's quick and relatively painless), it's who does the deed and to a lessor extent where the deed is done. If you need to put your dog (or cat, or goldfish.....) down and can obtain the appropriate injectable meds to do so at home, then do so. Far better than a stranger in a strange place doing the deed, IMHO. In a way I think that's one of the many things that's destroying our society and our nation...we're to divorced from death as a part of life. From the meat that we eat to human deaths occurring in the course of our societies daily function. Death is truly a part of life. As it's been said, "Welcome to life...no one gets out of it alive". |
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Post by rickoshea on Aug 12, 2016 21:12:39 GMT
Have you guys ever had to personally put your dog down? Think I may need to and feel weird about having someone else do it. Yeah, a few years ago. I inherited my Grandfather's Jack Russell, she was 13 years old at the time. She was still pretty spry, I had to hang a bell on her collar to keep her from killing all my fox squirrels... But after we had her for a couple years, she started having seizures. The Vet checked her out, and said they would probably get worse & more frequent... Which they did. She finally got so bad that she couldn't eat or drink and was barely conscious, so I put her down here in the backyard, and then buried her under a satsuma tree at my Grandparent's old farmhouse, just down the road. |
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Post by Browning35 on Aug 13, 2016 0:53:48 GMT
Yeah, that's the part I'm talking about. With our pets I personalize them to much and they're family members. They're like little people covered in fur with a tail that I actually like way more than most people. Wouldn't want my last memory of them being like that. I mean if I just didn't have the money that'd be one thing, but I do. I'm not criticizing your choice but I just want to clarify that I wouldn't have an issue with a round to the head for a human family member in the same or similar circumstances, myself included. For me it's not the method (as long as it's quick and relatively painless), it's who does the deed and to a lessor extent where the deed is done. If you need to put your dog (or cat, or goldfish.....) down and can obtain the appropriate injectable meds to do so at home, then do so. Far better than a stranger in a strange place doing the deed, IMHO. In a way I think that's one of the many things that's destroying our society and our nation...we're to divorced from death as a part of life. From the meat that we eat to human deaths occurring in the course of our societies daily function. Death is truly a part of life. As it's been said, "Welcome to life...no one gets out of it alive". Nah. I get what you're saying. If that was the only method available to me for whatever reason and it was time for them to go I could blank out for a second and squeeze the trigger and get the job done rather than keep our dog or cat in their pain-filled, miserable existence. I have it in me to help them out in their time of need and I'd do it without as much complaint or thought as the fact that I'm even responding to this part of the thread might suggest. I'm also not criticizing anyone on this forum who chooses to shoot their pet instead when they're approaching the really bad part of their life where they don't have that long anyway. I guess it depends on how you grew up, if you grew up in more of a rural setting and taking care of it yourself you might think it's weird to take them to the vet. We just always took them to the vet when it was time to go and they started suffering. The drugs are available today though and it's always seemed a little more peaceful. :Shrug I do get what you're saying on the divorced from death part of it (I've read Col. Grossman), but my wife and I both have jobs where we've seen and continue to see someones death at least every couple of shifts and I have a whole freezer full of venison. I guess that other than the venison the job related part of it is a little different from wanting chicken for dinner every couple of days and going out back, wringing its neck, chopping their head off on the chopping stump and plucking and dressing it for the pot rather than buying it from the freezer section of your local grocery store all wrapped in plastic and cellophane. That's just what we've always done with pets. Part of that is from where my wife and I both grew up (Los Angeles isn't exactly a rural area where we had to do any of that, it was only after we moved out here that I started hunting) and part of it is a holdover from her previous job. Because of this thread I just asked her a couple of minutes ago what she thought about terminating our pets life with a pistol/rifle when they got to the point where there was no quality of life instead of euthanizing them at the vets and she got a little irritated at just the thought of it. When I played devils advocate and mentioned that it would be cost effective, would be done at home and provide the same results she immediately leaped on the idea of it being cost-effective. She said that she didn't really give a shit about all that, about taking them to the vet being a much more peaceful way of going and that it was about showing a creature some love and giving them a peaceful ending where they just go to sleep after they loved you back. So that's where we're coming from. If everyone does it a different way then that's cool, just how we do it. |
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Post by scbrian on Aug 13, 2016 1:15:48 GMT
I know in this area, there are vets that will home visit(Or wherever), and inject the meds. My last one (Golden mix) was closing in on that road and we were beginning to look at the options seriously when she had a seizure/heart gave out and solved the problem. Was a little traumatic for us, but she went quick, surrounded by family after a fashion.
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Post by dannusmaximus on Aug 13, 2016 16:24:12 GMT
I know in this area, there are vets that will home visit(Or wherever), and inject the meds. My last one (Golden mix) was closing in on that road and we were beginning to look at the options seriously when she had a seizure/heart gave out and solved the problem. Was a little traumatic for us, but she went quick, surrounded by family after a fashion. I have a great deal of respect for folks who handle putting down an animal themselves, but it is definitely worth checking to see if your vet will do at-home euthanization. Ours will, no extra charge. It's a good way to do it when the time comes. |
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Post by dannusmaximus on Aug 13, 2016 16:30:38 GMT
Have you guys ever had to personally put your dog down? Think I may need to and feel weird about having someone else do it. Also, I hate it for you, Tony. I would personally warn caution about 're-homing' unless you absolutely can confirm that Fido is going to a good home. Getting animals off Craigslist for the purpose of training fight dogs is a real thing. Surrendering might be an option, but a dog with a serious medical condition will strain the resources of most shelters and the chance of them getting adopted is extremely slim. Do your research first. Our local vet clinics mostly have bill-payment plans for those large bills that you can't pay off all at once. Would this be a one-time treatment that is hugely expensive, or ongoing treatments? |
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Post by as556 on Aug 14, 2016 7:08:24 GMT
I should have phrased my initial post better, I was just out of town trying to be quick.
To say it's a diagnosed autoimmune disorder would be inaccurate, but after 3 years of dealing with this and lots of research that's the conclusion I've come to. Treating for that type of disease is very expensive and out of my price range.
We are not close to putting her down and will exhaust every option available prior to doing so. We are trying some natural remedies like coconut oil and have her on antibiotics and antifungals.
I was kind of just thinking out loud when I first posted kind of trying to come to terms with potentially putting her down and wanted to see if you guys have gone through anything similar.
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I really don't want to Eff it up.
