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Post by redeyes on Sept 24, 2014 14:50:09 GMT
Some pistols have huge slide releases. So much so that they make thumbs high grips for shooting less than optimal. Using a thumbs high grip with them often won't allow your pistol to lock back on the next round. Case in point; the Sig 2022. www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductD ... p2022.aspx So, what do you favor on a pistol that comes from the factory with a large slide release? Use the slide release or overhand rack? |
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Post by redeyes on Sept 24, 2014 14:54:55 GMT
DON'T READ THIS POST UNTIL YOU HAVE REPLIED.
I started a thread on ZS exactly like this. I am posting this here because: 1 I want your advice. 2. I want to test the juxtaposition between the forums. Sorry about treating you guys like dumbasses by using the all caps.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Sept 24, 2014 15:04:37 GMT
I view the slide release as an administrative tool to only be used to manually lock the slide back. I always use the over hand grip to rack the slide on a reload or I use the Israeli flip and pinch to rack the slide. Well, because they work for me. I use a high thumbs forward grip and so far the only gun that locks back are my CZ75s. I still use the previous two methods however.
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Post by omegaman on Sept 24, 2014 17:45:17 GMT
I have been training myself to stay consistent with the overhand rack over the last 5 years or so (Marines trained us to use the slide release on our M9s 'cuz that's what they're there for! Subsequently, that is how I taught pistol techniques when I became an instructor).
I do not feel there is an overwhelming benefit to either technique, but I do give an edge to overhand in terms of consistency and muscle-memory in effectively operating a variety of handguns. Going back to the M9, I feel that platform is optimized for slide release, not to mention the possibilty of accidentally engaging the safety during an overhand rack. Otherwise, I prefer overhand.
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Post by LowKey on Sept 24, 2014 19:00:54 GMT
Slide release. My first serious handgun shooting was with my issued M1911A1 in the Army where they taught us to use the slide release, same as OM in the Green Machine. Haven't seen a reason to change it...it works. For me an overhand grip on the slide is for clearing the weapon or clearing a malf.
Thinking about it, I'm now worried that if I tried to switch to an overhand rack to release the slide that I might drop the mag simultaneously out of habit (reflexively treating it as clearing a malf). DOH!!!
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Post by Browning35 on Sept 24, 2014 20:23:35 GMT
I almost always use the slide release and I generally shoot thumbs tucked in. The three main pistols that I shoot the most (BHP, Glock and CZ's) all have the slide release in exactly the same place. So I'm shooting them the exact same way every time. Pretty much like this...  The overhand rack I feel is probably more reliable and all semi-auto pistols can be run that way and if you're shooting a wide assortment of guns that's probably better. However after trying to transition to the overhand rack it felt really unnatural. When my father taught me to shoot way back when hitting the slide release is what he was going with. He was involved in Col. Coopers Big Bear California shoots, the Southwestern Combat Pistol League and then later the beginning of IPSC. So more competition type shooting rather than military. He wasn't prior service, me either. Later on at Gunsite they taught the overhand rack which was picked up by other schools and it's become more ' The' standard and I tried it for awhile, but it seemed slower and different and so I kept doing it the way I'd always done it. I'm not saying it's the best, but it's quicker for me and it sends the slide forward. For training purposes I can do the overhand rack if that's how they want it done. I try to be a good student and I try to absorb exactly what they're teaching and then later on some of what they're teaching becomes a permanent part of how I do things and some don't. Using the slide release has just always stuck. It's better you stuck it in all caps, like a dumbass I started to read the second post anyway until I was like ... ' Wait a minute' and actually followed directions. On a couple pistols I have an extended slide release and on one (that Sig P220 Super match) the slide release is located in a slightly funky place and I've hit it once accidentally when I first bought it, on that one I tuck them in even further to avoid that and it hasn't been an issue. It's something where I'm constantly aware of it though. |
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Post by nxp on Sept 25, 2014 1:22:13 GMT
Thumbs up/forward and overhand rack for everything - same camp as GM.
I learned to shoot pistols from classes, and then slowly worked my way into the "gamer" crowd and was lucky enough to find a guy at work who can really game hard. He taught me a LOT about grip, placement, and technique - coming from a 1911 world, then into plastic fantastic. I use the release to show empty and clean 99% of the time. The other 1% is absent thought or a random thumb encounter.
Edit -
Browning, who is/was that shooting next to you and do they still have a knuckle after the recoil? Goodness - thumbover revolver grip on a pocket popper......
nXp
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Post by Browning35 on Sept 25, 2014 2:23:05 GMT
I don't know, they weren't with us.
Two chicks who looked like truck drivers and they were unsafe as fuck. The larger one of the two actually swept the unsuspecting backs of whole firing line on the other side of the pistol range while they were by the fence waiting for a booth like we were. They took it out of a fanny pack, dropped a loaded mag and racked the slide a bunch of times while pointing it at the line.
Our group actually picked up and moved after I said something to them, I had a talk with the R.O. on the way over to the other side and somehow they ended up right next to us. He stood right behind them the whole time. I got a new membership at a different range. Straw that broke the camel's back for that place. On weekends that place is nuts. That was the last time I was there. I'm generally one to live and let live and I don't usually try to police people's behavior, but that was pretty stupid.
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Post by homerj on Sept 25, 2014 5:13:00 GMT
For me it depends on what I am shooting, I use overhand for my glock 19 and kel tec Pf9 but only because the slide releases are so small, I love the slide release on my P226 and FNP 45 when I still had it. I probably should choose one for consistency though which would probably be overhand.
I just qualified on my M9 this morning there is a firing table where you do some mag changes while moving forward the overhand felt more natural and faster especially when gloved up, I found myself starting off using the slide release when one table ends and I know I have plenty of time to reload. For POG ranges we really dont care about consistency as long as you qualify lol.
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Post by redeyes on Sept 25, 2014 12:45:09 GMT
Ok, what I am getting from this board and the other board is that if a Glock or M&P is your main pistol and all others you own are more or less range toys, overhand rack. If a Sig, 1911, M9 or BHP is your main pistol, it is fine to use the slide release, just make sure you practice some malfunction drills. Does that sound about right?
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Post by Browning35 on Sept 25, 2014 16:36:19 GMT
Pretty much. For me that includes Glocks though (I don't have a whole bunch of trigger time on M&P's). The slide release placement on many pistols is more or less the same (I'm talking about the distance/control placement ergonomically). On pistols where the slide release is basically equidistance away in comparison with the working parts placement of other pistols that people normally shoot the more likely it sounds like many shooters are going to usually just hit the slide release. That is unless they believe that there's a benefit to doing it one way all the time for the sake of being consistent AND they're actually disciplined enough to just force themselves to do it one way all the time. In which case it's almost always overhand rack. For most it sounds like the only way that changes is if they're relatively unfamiliar with that particular gun or it's small then they go with overhand rack. It also sounds like it's dependent on how you as an individual were taught back whenever you first started shooting. Notice how everyone started listing where they got taught to shoot back whenever that was? In the Military, shooting school instruction, family or what have you. People fall back on how they were trained. Omega's pretty much the perfect example of this, always using an overhand rack except on the M9 cause that's how he was trained initially. I also noticed that in the other forum one poster was saying that the reason he used the overhand rack was at least partially due to having a jacked up thumb, so toss in personal physical injury. Many others were saying it depended on the gun size because on some the slide release is frigging tiny and as a result more difficult to hit consistently. So I'd say it's for a hodge-podge of reasons including training, gun type, physical disability and gun size. Slide release vs. overhand rack ZS (*Click*)That's what I got out of it anyway. |
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Post by LowKey on Sept 26, 2014 4:37:15 GMT
Ok, what I am getting from this board and the other board is that if a Glock or M&P is your main pistol and all others you own are more or less range toys, overhand rack. If a Sig, 1911, M9 or BHP is your main pistol, it is fine to use the slide release, just make sure you practice some malfunction drills. Does that sound about right? Except that my main pistols have been Glocks for the last 20 or so years. The 1911 I received my initial formal training on was issued out to me by Uncle Sam. Not germain to the discussion, but I hated the Berretta with an unholy passion. |
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Post by as556 on Sept 26, 2014 17:20:13 GMT
I slingshot the slide overhand, I only use the slide release/stop when I am locking back administratively or when dropping the bolt on an empty magazine after I run dry. If I need to reload in a hurry I definitely do it overhand.
Redeyes, I too have problems shooting thumbs high on my Sig. I have a failure to lock back due to this more often then I care to admit.
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