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Post by dannusmaximus on Jul 3, 2014 14:27:03 GMT
I know everybody has seen this story... www.cnn.com/2014/07/03/us/california-immigrant-transfers/Horrible story. Moms and kids leaving 3rd world Central and South American hellholes and trying to make it to the land of opportunity. I get it. But I can't allow every homeless or abused person in my city to come live with me. I don't have the room or the resources. Similarly, we just can't allow every unfortunate soul into our country and cities, and people are rightfully pissed off about it where the rubber meets the road. I really can't imagine a more difficult or sorry situation for all involved. Thoughts? |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Jul 3, 2014 14:48:06 GMT
My wife just got her citizenship this year. It was a long and expensive endevour.
Get in line. The law is the law. Open borders mean no borders. No borders, no nation.
Sorry, sending your kids to America without parental guidance is so irresponsible. Send them back, we're not the ones being irresponsible. It's on them to take care of their kids.
Tin foil hat, this is a soft attack intended to over whelm the system in place to handle underage unaccompanied kids. It's working too, it's also a soft attack meant to blacken the eye of the US. "Oh, look, they hate kids too!"
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Post by Browning35 on Jul 3, 2014 21:19:22 GMT
Yeah, I've seen it.
I actually feel a bit bad for them, but they need to be sent back.
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Post by homerj on Jul 7, 2014 18:54:51 GMT
Lawlessness breeds lawlessness, this is outrageous and what gets me is that when people are adamant that the border be sealed first before any immigration reform they get looked at like they are crazy. As much as we can sympathize we need to send these people back, your first act of citizenship should not be violation of the law.
I think the Democrats recognize the demographic shifts with the expanding hispanic population and are pretty much trying to secure votes and ensure that hispanics will be beholden to the democrat party. We have Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden already calling these illegals Americans, they are not even trying to hide what their intentions are, full amnesty. I see this in my hometown of El Paso, one of the few blue cities in Texas, our unemployment rates are high, our corruption is shameful and we are behind most Texas cities of similar size.
Most hispanics in El Paso just vote straight ticket they arent aware of the issues or the candidates for the most part. It has been decades since we had any Republican elected to any significant office.
We can't even properly take care of our veterans, citizens of the highest order who have paid their dues, how could we take on this additional burden? And for what votes?
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Post by dannusmaximus on Jul 7, 2014 21:14:40 GMT
Most hispanics in El Paso just vote straight ticket they arent aware of the issues or the candidates for the most part. Unfortunately, I think it's safe to say this about EVERYBODY in the U.S., not just Hispanics... |
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Post by homerj on Jul 8, 2014 3:30:43 GMT
Sad but true.
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Post by NamelessStain on Jul 8, 2014 11:52:25 GMT
Hey, I click my 'R' button just as fast. 
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Jul 9, 2014 18:10:30 GMT
I have a question for the open borders folks, not sure if anyone here is. Who will enforce the law? Where will the power of law come from without an authority to enforce them? Will there be law without borders? There is no denying we live in a physical world and it's governed by geographic areas, with or without nations. So, if there is no border and there is no nation, who will enforce law? Can a Texas Ranger go into Mexico to enforce law? How about a Federale enforcing Mexican law in Nebraska? To what extent can these law enforcement officials work without confines of borders? How about a military without borders? Or will we dispense with that?
Seriously, open borders is a full fail idea. Dismissing anyone who opposes this idea as being a simple racist is absurd. I really enjoy freedom and liberty because of our laws. I'd like to know what law will rule and from which book of law will we be subject to.
It's in your court. Swing.
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Post by NamelessStain on Jul 10, 2014 10:38:57 GMT
Open borders is not about who enforces law, there is still a border. Open borders is about the freedom to travel across those borders. Think of it like the State borders. I can freely go from SC to NC. But there is a line where NC is responsible for law enforcement and SC is responsible to the south. Sure they can cross borders in pursuit of criminals but it generally is coordinated between states. Military should work the same way, besides, there's already been incidents of Mexican military crossing the border and saying "opps, we're sorry".
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Jul 10, 2014 11:07:07 GMT
Ok, so can I go to Mexico san passport? Last time I checked it's a felony they enforce. In a world of international threats and enemies who do not share our moral values with regards to uniformed warefare, it's foolish to leave a border open and uncontrolled. If open borders made sense then how about removing the controls on international air travel?
Because no controls on immigration is a foolish idea. An open border is not a border. We have easy ways to immigrate that introduces immigrants into our system which includes paying taxes. They're nothing but a burden by circumventing the system. That's the biggest issue, they're using our services without replenishing the system. Which make sme want a national sales tax even more that way no matter your legal status, you support the system. It's a big deal because we still have to pay the police, the fire dept, and EMS and those services are expensive. Last thought, without controls on a border, how can we even have a remote idea what substances are entering our country, not just drugs but hazardous materials.
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Post by NamelessStain on Jul 10, 2014 12:25:14 GMT
Yes, with an open border they too would have to let you cross without a passport. It's a two way street. It's no different than NC/SC border.
Did I say it was a good idea? No. Everything you mentioned is the same with a US state border. The problem is within the states there are cooperative efforts, but with a foreign nation, those would have to be discussed and turned into a process. Yup, people will come here just to leech our public services, but that's one of those things no one will discuss. We're a welfare state already, in case you missed it.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Jul 10, 2014 12:59:22 GMT
Oh, don't get me wrong, I wasn't saying you were for it or thought it was a good idea. I was just rebuking the idea.
Oh, no, I have not missed we are a welfare state. EVERYDAY I see people walk a good distance, have coherent conversations and sit for hours in the buildings lobby all to wait on SSA disability. Many easily in a working age group.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Jul 14, 2014 10:40:44 GMT
OK! Time to place your bets on what's going to be the resolution on this.
1. Nothing, borders remain pourous.
2. Borders sealed and the law enforced.
3. A law passes that states we have open borders.
4. Obama gets his 4 billion and nothing is done.
I vote 1.
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Post by NamelessStain on Jul 14, 2014 11:16:38 GMT
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Post by homerj on Jul 14, 2014 15:43:56 GMT
I vote 1 as well, I think the GOP's only strategy if you want to call it that is just to run out the clock...then if they take both houses and the white house I am sure they will find another excuse to sit on ass and do nothing.
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