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Post by NamelessStain on Nov 12, 2013 12:00:45 GMT
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Post by omegaman on Nov 12, 2013 15:07:46 GMT
Great. That's literally in my back yard, not to mention the source of my water and power. I'll let y'all know when I start glowing!
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 12, 2013 16:24:22 GMT
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Post by NamelessStain on Nov 12, 2013 16:43:46 GMT
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Post by omegaman on Nov 12, 2013 16:54:19 GMT
I know, seriously! I live here. Right smack here. First I've heard of it. I would think the local media would be all over this. WTF? |
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 12, 2013 17:25:33 GMT
I know, seriously! I live here. Right smack here. First I've heard of it. I would think the local media would be all over this. WTF? Yeah, getting kind of sick of that phenomenon. I often find myself stopping at Mexican news broadcasts when I'm flipping channels and I have maybe a hundred word Spanish vocabulary. From the pics, video and what I can manage to understand from the commentary they have better coverage. So does RT, the BBC and even Al Jazeera. I might not agree with the slant they use, but at least I'm finding out about events that I might not have otherwise heard about. |
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Post by NamelessStain on Nov 12, 2013 17:31:06 GMT
So does RT, the BBC and even Al Jazeera. I might not agree with the slant they use, but at least I'm finding out about events that I might not have otherwise heard about. So you're one of the 9 people watching Al Jezeera? LOL... jk |
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 12, 2013 17:49:07 GMT
So does RT, the BBC and even Al Jazeera. I might not agree with the slant they use, but at least I'm finding out about events that I might not have otherwise heard about. So you're one of the 9 people watching Al Jezeera? LOL... jk Occasionally, yeah.  I used to be a big time news junkie, less so now. I was interested in how the Arab world viewed Americans at that point in time. Now I don't need the stress of watching the news as it's all bad, so I rarely flip it on or go to the web with the intention of finding out what's going on in the world. If it's that big of a deal others will end up telling me about it eventually anyway. I don't live anywhere near SC and I consider it pretty news worthy that a reactor there has a radioactive leak. That effects all of North America. Kim Kardashian's boyfriend claiming that they're the most influential couple in the world is of slightly less importance. It's just crazy that this isn't being widely reported. |
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Post by nxp on Nov 12, 2013 21:48:18 GMT
Eh, before everyone jumps the crazy on this, it's important to know what part of the system is actually leaking.
First you need to understand which reactor type is involved, then you can have a better understanding of which system is actually leaking. The fact that it's not part of the core set, but an auxillary set that is most likely part of the recirc coolant side makes it sort of a much ado about little. Yes, there's radiation, but the level at which it's present will be at a much lower rate than is required worry about in terms of catastrophic effects. Without knowing exactly where in the system the leak occured, it's possible that 5 chest xrays would expose you to more radiation that what this leak is doing.
If it was a serious leak, with direct venting, you'd have already known about it.
For more info on your local reactors, head to NRC.GOV and do some reading, they're not terrible scary monsters. They're actually quite interesting..
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 13, 2013 0:23:41 GMT
Well....I'm not jumping crazy on this and for the record I don't think it's a big conspiracy or anything. It just seems like something that people should be aware of just in case the leak does get worse or to be concerned about safety procedures, how they're cleaning up the spilled material inside the building or equipment failures so that perhaps a crisis in the future can be avoided.
Sure if there were any release of radioactive material everyone would have heard about it. No sarcasm at all, we would. Wouldn't even have to be some Chernobyl or Fukushima level event either. Any release at all and it would be one biggest stories ever.
However before the Chernobyl meltdown there were both safety and employee qualification issues, so I'd personally prefer for whatever caused this to be thoroughly examined all out in the open. It's just a little disconcerting to be reading about this stuff in RT as opposed to a domestic publication.
That's all I personally meant by my comments.
I do think that some of the foreign news organizations do a better job at actually relaying real news items than some of our news stations do. Just a personal opinion though.
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Post by omegaman on Nov 13, 2013 1:03:24 GMT
Well, one of our biggest lakes up here is already heavily contaminated with PCBs from chemical factory runoff...I guess between the moonshine, carcinogens, and radioactivity us foothills folks are a hardy bunch!!!
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Post by nxp on Nov 13, 2013 2:08:31 GMT
Browning - prior to Chernobyl (which was a tragedy of epic proportions, and I hate the word epic - even the Russians knew there were serious faults with the design, hence the need for a backup system that ultimately caused the failure) the single largest "disaster", and I use the word loosely, was Three Mile Island. The two really are incomparable, as Chernobyl was a full breach of the containment vessel where TMI was venting, which released a marked 2mRem outside the facility. Everyone knew about it, and really it was an issue that was contained and managed - despite the cover-up at the time - successfully and powered down/removed from service. TMI is still in operation, I believe the license extends to 2034ish if memory serves. Chernobyl's sister reactors are still very much in service (same design with many upgrades since the incident), and I believe they finally decommisioned Chernobyl's last remaining operational reactor sometime in the mid 2000's, so about now they should be looking at moving fuel/clean up and starting on the new version of the sarcophagus to try and buy more time for the timebomb under the faltering concrete. Completely agree that our news is crap. I'm usually a BBC guy, but with AlJazzer now on the Roku box it gives me something else to watch. OM - They haven't been made to clean that up (PCB)? We've got an entire lake/river by us that's shut down because they are making the paper companies dredge it all back out of the system. Oh they're howling mad about it. They've been lawyering up for years now, but the judges are holding them to it so they're still dredging. Now moonshine. MMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Moonshine. Quality Kentucky water, that is. |
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Post by rickoshea on Nov 13, 2013 3:11:11 GMT
I don't remember if it was an Alabama or Fed thing, but about ten years ago we had to go through our system and take down any power transformers that may have contained PCBs in the cooling oil.
IIRC, the companies that make the transformers and other devices quit using PCB oil back in the late '70s. So out of around 45,000 transformers on our system, I think we only had around 500 or so that needed to be retired.
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 13, 2013 3:35:05 GMT
Hadn't heard anything related to the Chernobyl design, I was under the impression that it was due to safety measures that were offline and ill-trained employees.
Remember reading something about it sometime back after the Fukushima disaster brought it back up. It could have been the design as well, I don't know.
You get what I mean though. Just don't want a bunch of little incidents swept under the carpet or not really publicized only to lay the framework for a disaster.
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Post by nxp on Nov 13, 2013 16:33:21 GMT
Rick - they were present in the HV tanks for Xray generators also from that time period. When I was on a de-installation crew we always had to check the manufacture date to see what was in the tanks before disposal/repair. Made tank diving more entertaining. Not many of them still running around, but you'll see them every now and then.
Browning - Yeah, if you're ever up for some interesting reading and you're into nuclear stuff, NRC has a great write up on Chernobyl and why the design was suspect and what happened. Combine that with archived photos, first hand accounts from the Russians that are starting to come out it's a pretty frightening reality.
Fukushima is another interesting case, and they've got their work cut out for them in the future that's for sure. NOVA/BBC did a great show with a timeline/break down of what happened in their reactor and the moments after the tsunami and what's currently going on with the facility. Really well done, had video's from the first responders / staff and all the issues they faced trying to get the control room back online just to even monitor what was going on!
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