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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 9, 2013 1:38:18 GMT
I've been carrying the KaBar TDI for about 6 months now. This is much faster to deploy than a my folder. It's heavier than a folder however it's much more durable in the fact that it doesn't have a lock being a fixed blade. The knives come with one sheath but 2 attachment methods. One being a clip and the other being 2 straps that are meant to be attached to molle webbing. I carry mine vertically in an appendix carry style that allows me to draw the knife with either my right or left hand. The unconventional grip angle is approximately 45 degrees which allows the user to keep the wrist aligned and straight while still having the blade in a traditional forward position. The TDIs featured in the review are the large tanto serrated style in OD green and the small traditional serrated models in FDE and OD.  Widths versus a Spyderco Native III  Full sized forward grip  Large and small in right appendix carry. Normally my shirt would be over these but then you'd not be able to see them.  Left side small appendix carry.   Sheathed  Clip side |
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Post by redeyes on Nov 9, 2013 3:10:52 GMT
I have been thinking about gettin one. I would be using it for left side appendix carry. What do you suggest for someone with a bit of a gut, large or small?
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Post by System Message on Nov 9, 2013 16:07:24 GMT
Small. I only carry the big one at 9 and 3. It's heavy too, almost 3 times as heavy.
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Post by nxp on Nov 9, 2013 20:02:36 GMT
I have been thinking about gettin one. I would be using it for left side appendix carry. What do you suggest for someone with a bit of a gut, large or small? Me too - I've been fence sitting on a small for a while now, just not sure about a serated edge. Would rather have a plain edge, but I like the concept and the size. NXP |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 10, 2013 14:56:38 GMT
Well, I went with serrated because in my experience it zips through seat belts. Yes, I tried mine on some seat belts.
A note on the large versus the small, don't go big unless you just want a massive knife that is way too big. The small is about perfect, the blades width and sharpness make up for the small size of blade.
IMO
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 12, 2013 16:08:46 GMT
I've seen those TDI knives before and honestly I never know what to think.
For a defense knife the fact that it's cocked at an angle seems kind of funky to me and it might be better at cutting open boxes than using it to defend yourself with.
Just follow me for a second. It's whole design is based around its angle being cocked, so it seems like it's way better for cutting than stabbing.
Stabbing leads to greater blood loss than slicing, cutting or hacking. Cuts look bad on the surface, but they're rarely life threatening in the same way that stabs are.
Getting it out fast and popping a balloon isn't the same thing as getting it out and jamming it in their lung (through their sternum or between their ribs) or into their throat (which are many times a fight ending injury just so long as the person follows up on it). With it being cocked like that can the user generate enough force and momentum to stab with it? That's a genuine question, not a statement. It just seems somewhat awkward to stab with.
I'm not saying that I'm correct with this line of reasoning, but those are the questions that have run through my head the few times I've seen that video based on that it's advertised specifically as a main weapons retention knife (and perhaps as a utility knife second).
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 12, 2013 16:28:20 GMT
It's cocked angle is designed to keep your wrist straight as opposed to angled with a straight knife. A straight wrist has more stability. This is also designed to be used with a slashing motion. During the slashing motion the blade is "naturally" forward.
It's not a fighting knife, it's a purely defensive device. It's used mainly as a slashing type weapon that is used to disable hands/arms with deep slashes to muscle and ligaments. The stab, to me, unless it's a damn big knife (which defeats the purpose of carrying a small knife) isn't going to get deep enough to disable someone. This knife is designed to slash and slash deep.
The slash is used to disable limbs or disable the face. Stabbing with small knife just can't get to anything to make a difference.
Think of it this way, if an arms/fist is coming in, slash it. If they have you by the throat or by the collar, slash their arms. Repeatedly and often. Unless they have something wrong with them they will let go and a gross as it sounds, if you slash enough their limb will cease functioning because the ligments will be cut.
Secondary, it is a box opener.
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 12, 2013 17:16:45 GMT
I get that it's kind of like a box cutter, something sharp to slash your way into getting them off you.
One of the guys at the Escrima place I went to was also a big fan of bio-mechanical cutting, so I'm familiar with it. It's just that in a situation like that I'd rather stab than slash. The limb grabbing onto your gun would be somewhat stationary and would represent a decent target, but so would their torso and throat. Why not just go for that?
Maybe it just felt odd to me because of the handle and the angle. I'm completely willing to admit that I don't have very much time behind them at all. A buddy has one and he was showing it off one time. That's it. I'm used to straight knives and I'm not completely sold on the idea of targeting a limb unless there's literally nothing else available. :Shrug
At least it's sharp, easy to deploy and the person is carrying a knife and has some sort of plan in what to do if someone targets them for a gun grab.
One thing I'm curious about since this is being advertised as kind of a police type knife is to how the police dept admin types and local DA would likely react if a police officer slashed to death or severely injured a suspect with a knife after a gun grab attack? In this day and age if they look at suspects wrong it can cause them trouble, so I can't imagine that going over to well if they killed or injured a suspect with a knife.
Then again they'd be saving their life, so who fucking cares?
Edit : The word filter didn't work, so I'm unsure if I'm supposed to correct that or what.
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Post by nxp on Nov 12, 2013 17:55:40 GMT
I think it was designed with a series of compromises and ultimately works well for it's intended purpose - a last ditch or oh crap get it out now and make something bleed. I hate getting cut. I'm thinking that most folks are the same way. I know that my bro carries a CS AK folder on him when he works (he's a Statie), but he's used it more for seatbelts/carbumpers/you name it vs defense. He's also not a beat cop, though, so take it for what it's worth.
As a non-LEO, I like that the small is well within most fixed blade length laws, but the handle offers a ton of purchase without being overly bulky. I like the fact that it keeps the wrist inline (like RG pointed out). Bent wrists are weak wrists, and there's nothing stopping the user from using the old "sewing machine" tactic to really make a mess quickly. It's also angled, allowing for some trapping if you have a reversed grip.
But best of all, it's not over the top mall-ninja or MA specific, garnering it much less attention in the grand scheme of things. Meaning if you are allowed to carry a boxcutter, chances are this would be dismissed as a tool in an establishment that may frown on defensive knives.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 12, 2013 18:00:46 GMT
Here's my personal view, if I don't have to end someone's life, I prefer not to. I prefer bio-mechanical cutting because it shuts down limbs. Once limbs are shut down, I don't care about the rest. I train my knife defense around disabling hands, forearms, biceps, triceps, deltoids and the quad just above the knee. I train to defeat the hand first because normally it's the closest to you and the part that holds most weapons. We've trained the stab the guts vs. slash the limbs and slash the limbs wins most of the time because it defeats the limbs as it comes out. Unless there is something I'm missing a cut that's even 1/4 inch deep into the muscle fiber is very disabling for the limb that muscle moves. Attacking limbs allows me to stay to the outside of the zone of danger, also know as the ring of doom.  We refer to that as the zone where the weapon can make contact with the stuff that matters. If I get into stab range, then I'm in there stab range. Nope, not for me. As far as what the police are bound by, IDK. I'm of the opinion once you're trying to grab a cops gun you've forfeited your life and what ever you get is what you get. Play games, win prizes. |
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 12, 2013 19:05:21 GMT
My point was this knife would be harder to use the sewing machine tactic with and that really works. In a sewing machine attack the wrist is also actually pretty straight as they're pumping the knife into them underhanded. Here's my personal view, if I don't have to end someone's life, I prefer not to. I prefer bio-mechanical cutting because it shuts down limbs. Once limbs are shut down, I don't care about the rest. I train my knife defense around disabling hands, forearms, biceps, triceps, deltoids and the quad just above the knee. Well it's not like I'm some kill crazy freak, but at that point I'm less worried about their life as opposed to my life. So we might just be approaching this from a different perspective. If I'm in a fight like that I'm doing my best to end it as quickly as possible. Eye, throat and lung wounds are usually fight-ender's. Face too, but out of vanity because almost no one is willing to go through the rest of life with a jacked up face and so they'll usually back off when they start getting cut. A deep slash to the arm could end the fight, but then it might not. Not trying to dump on this knife or anything, just offering an opposing viewpoint. Just more curious about it. I think the same way, but it seems like sometimes they get hung out to dry on using a baton, taser, pepper spray, pistol and their fists. I've seen some cases where the officer used their fists, elbows and feet after being attacked and the general public acted like it was the end of the world. So I can see people like that totally freaking out about something like this if they had to use it. There's a definite stigma regarding knives vs impact weapons or guns for some reason. |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 12, 2013 19:24:09 GMT
My point was this knife would be harder to use the sewing machine tactic with and that really works. One of our big training routines is defeating the sew machine. I can do the sewing machine with this knife as well and with a straigh wrist. Here's my personal view, if I don't have to end someone's life, I prefer not to. I prefer bio-mechanical cutting because it shuts down limbs. Once limbs are shut down, I don't care about the rest. I train my knife defense around disabling hands, forearms, biceps, triceps, deltoids and the quad just above the knee. Well it's not like I'm some kill crazy freak, but at that point I'm less worried about their life as opposed to my life. So we might just be approaching this from a different perspective. Oh, I don't think you're a kill crazy freak. I apologize if I seemed to be casting dispersions. I prefer not to for loads of reasons but if they do, it's their fault. REally, I'm a laid back guy and if I feel forced to defend myself, well, that's their fault and all ramifications that go along with it. If I'm in a fight like that I'm doing my best to end it as quickly as possible. Eye, throat and lung wounds are usually fight-ender's. Face too, but out of vanity because almost no one is willing to go through the rest of life with a jacked up face and so they'll usually back off when they start getting cut. I had a buddy in basic who had his throat slashed. He was fine. I agree, that generally those are fight enders but I go by the rule that the only fight ender is what ends the fight. I'm not counting on anything. A deep slash to the arm could end the fight, but then it might not. Not trying to dump on this knife or anything, just offering an opposing viewpoint. Oh, no worries. The knife, like the hawk, are not my go to. My go to is a Glock 26. I just don't rely on any "one" thing. Save not having anything, I'm using fists, elbows, knees, etc. Just more curious about it. I think the same way, but it seems like sometimes they get hung out to dry on using a baton, taser, pepper spray, pistol and their fists. I've seen some cases where the officer used their fists, elbows and feet after being attacked and the general public acted like it was the end of the world. So I can see people like that totally freaking out about something like this is they had to use it. There's a definite stigma regarding knives vs impact weapons or guns for some reason. |
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 12, 2013 19:57:19 GMT
[One of our big training routines is defeating the sew machine. It can be done, but it's hard. It's a simple technique that works well. |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 12, 2013 20:15:01 GMT
Yes, give me a minute on the sew machine pic. I may get a video tonight.
Yes, we have a flow drill and after the hand is hit we instantly go to a side step then bicep/triceps etc. We focus on movement and rapid repeated strikes until the aggressor either gives up or you have the opportunity to leave.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 12, 2013 22:01:11 GMT
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We refer to that as the zone where the weapon can make contact with the stuff that matters. If I get into stab range, then I'm in there stab range. Nope, not for me. 