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Post by dannusmaximus on Jan 9, 2016 23:29:03 GMT
These guys... www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/heavily_armed_security_detail.htmlOy. Anybody else get the sneaking suspicion that they are doing a *tad* bit of damage to the 'law abiding gun owner' brand? To summarize... 1. Folks want to use public land to enrich themselves. For free. Are willing to break all sorts of laws to do so. 2. Gubmint says: You can't really do that. 3. Folks say: Whatevs! We'll take over a public building on those public lands to show how mad we are! 4. Other folks say: Yeah! Us too! 5. Everybody who lives in the area says: *facepalm* Can you nuts please go home now? Anything I'm missing in this most recent episode of "Heavily Armed Freeloading Rancher-Types Vs. 'Da Gubmint"? |
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Post by misterdark on Jan 10, 2016 2:44:53 GMT
These guys... www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/heavily_armed_security_detail.htmlOy. Anybody else get the sneaking suspicion that they are doing a *tad* bit of damage to the 'law abiding gun owner' brand? To summarize... 1. Folks want to use public land to enrich themselves. For free. Are willing to break all sorts of laws to do so. 2. Gubmint says: You can't really do that. 3. Folks say: Whatevs! We'll take over a public building on those public lands to show how mad we are! 4. Other folks say: Yeah! Us too! 5. Everybody who lives in the area says: *facepalm* Can you nuts please go home now? Anything I'm missing in this most recent episode of "Heavily Armed Freeloading Rancher-Types Vs. 'Da Gubmint"? Ehh, that seems to cover most of it. Sadly, the government has already gotten what it wants. Two ranchers back in prison for a looong time, and rights of first refusal (as if) on the property they want to grab. The Bundy fracas is just icing on the cake. The militia movement in the US already has very bad connotations, this will just make them look even worse. |
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Post by as556 on Jan 10, 2016 8:02:16 GMT
Eh..seems to be more of a talking point in the rest of country than here in Oregon. Im indifferent about it. I understand why they're upset but they're going about it all wrong.
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Post by Browning35 on Jan 10, 2016 13:54:15 GMT
Personally I get why the Militia guys are pissed off, don't really agree with their tactics.
However I give them as much leeway as a bunch of leftist college students who stage a strike and then subsequently take over the administration building and occupy the deans office (meaning I believe that the Federal Government should talk them down, wait them out and not go in spraying the way Montel Williams and others want).
Interesting the difference in how they're portrayed in the media vs 'peaceful demonstrators' in Ferguson, Baltimore, Minneapolis and elsewhere when in reality they were throwing rocks/Molotov's, looting and assaulting people of a different skin color. I don't see any of that shit going on in Oregon from the coverage.
Like many activist types they're still kinda irritating though.
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Post by scbrian on Jan 10, 2016 14:26:46 GMT
^^ Pretty much agree with What Browning said. I understand their beef, but not the right way to settle it.
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Post by LowKey on Jan 10, 2016 14:35:47 GMT
I think Browning has hit the nail on the head. While it may stretch the definition of 'peaceable', I think this falls under the category of , ".....or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." It's no where near the level of Ferguson. In fact it doesn't even reach the level of when Samuel Jackson held people hostage link. He's still walking free, making movies, making tons of cash, and playing in politics.....no one seems to view him as a bad guy, yet he held people against their will. Normally that gets you kidnapping charges and prison time. These yahoos in Oregon aren't holding anyone hostage. So while I agree with Browning that their tactics are seriously lacking, they're not really doing anything more than protesters picketing on a sidewalk. |
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Post by Browning35 on Jan 10, 2016 17:04:36 GMT
Yeah, I actually agree with them. I just think that they're the worst spokesmen possible and going about it the wrong way. Staging demonstrations, getting a lobbying committee and a website together, fund raising, using social media, and then lobbying legislators at both the State and Federal level to turn the land over to the various States would have a more positive effect than what they're doing and have a better chance of success. This is one of the better articles about the issue in my opinion. www.vox.com/2016/1/5/10718128/federal-land-west-oregon-militiaThen again my use of Federally administered land has been strictly limited to shooting and camping on it when I lived in So Cal and AZ (not much of that in TX, out here it's all private land) and I'm not trying to secure permits for logging, mining, grazing and other uses. Even from just a shooting perspective they've shut a lot of that down from when I lived out there in the 90's. Used to be you could just drive out to the middle of nowhere, turn left or right and drive a couple miles in, shoot, pick up your trash/brass and leave. Most places you can't (legally) do that now. They want you to drive 60 miles one way to some designated spot. |
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Post by dannusmaximus on Jan 27, 2016 16:46:46 GMT
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Post by Browning35 on Jan 27, 2016 19:21:16 GMT
Well I thought there was a fair possibly that it might go bad depending on the choices of the people up there and the choices of the various local, state and federal law enforcement agencies up there.
Apparently there's some saying that the one guy was gunned down after trying to surrender peacefully and then at least two people at the first scene up the road saying that's bullshit, that the guy shot took off in a chase of sorts in the 2nd vehicle and then finally stuck in a snow bank charged the cops/feds.
Who knows? However 8 of them were arrested though and if they didn't want to take any of them into custody they wouldn't have.
If true, charging the cops after running from them in a vehicle chase and crash is sort of a bad idea.
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Post by dannusmaximus on Jan 27, 2016 20:24:42 GMT
I would be stunned if there isn't video of this. You would think both sides would have cameras coming out of every orifice prior to any kind of contact.
Roll call was probably interesting that day...
"Ok gents, we've got intel that a group of these yahoos are heading into town for a meeting, the plan is to arrest them on the road between point X and Y. They are dripping with guns and hate the gubmint, and they see you all as subhuman jack-booted Nazi respawns. But if you so much as muss a hair on their head you'll probably end up a You Tube sensation and have your life ruined after you lose your job. Alright! Have a great day!"
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Post by rickoshea on Jan 27, 2016 22:06:27 GMT
Welp, at least now there is a recent precedent for taking a hardline against groups that occupy places they shouldn't.....watch out 99 Percenters/Occupy Wallstreeters.  |
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Post by dannusmaximus on Jan 28, 2016 0:22:09 GMT
Welp, at least now there is a recent precedent for taking a hardline against groups that occupy places they shouldn't.....watch out 99 Percenters/Occupy Wallstreeters. True dat. It was interesting to hear the BLM folks howl about how about how whitey was being treated better than a group of blacks would have been if they would have done the same thing. Funny, but I believe all the student 'activists' who occupied campus buildings recently were given a complete pass, weren't they? |
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Post by Browning35 on Jan 28, 2016 15:00:36 GMT
I would be stunned if there isn't video of this. You would think both sides would have cameras coming out of every orifice prior to any kind of contact. I'd be surprised too if there wasn't video of it as well. At any rate here's what the militia/cowboys/protesters/what have you are saying until that video comes out (which I hope is soon). <<<LINK>>> |
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Post by as556 on Jan 28, 2016 15:07:32 GMT
Welp, at least now there is a recent precedent for taking a hardline against groups that occupy places they shouldn't.....watch out 99 Percenters/Occupy Wallstreeters. True dat. It was interesting to hear the BLM folks howl about how about how whitey was being treated better than a group of blacks would have been if they would have done the same thing. Funny, but I believe all the student 'activists' who occupied campus buildings recently were given a complete pass, weren't they? Not to mention Eric Holder at the ROTC building. |
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Post by Browning35 on Jan 29, 2016 13:31:16 GMT
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