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Post by as556 on Jul 19, 2015 23:38:21 GMT
Dude Omega you got it going on with food preps..compared to me at least. I may try and dedicate $100 every 3 months to food and water preps. I live in an apartment soo..yeah, not a ton of room. It's 1k sq ft but still. I'm also hopelessly addicted to buying gun stuff. It's a real problem.
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Post by red on Jul 19, 2015 23:49:04 GMT
I got bedroom and that's it right now. Before i moved i had a few of those steel garage cabinets like 6 foot tall by 3 foot wide and a foot or so deep full of food. Mainly can good with a giant pack of paper plates, a frying pan, a 1 quart pot, a small ( like 12 inch ) charcoal grill, and silverware. A box of match's and one of those long bbq/ fireplace lighters , then some toilet paper / paper towels.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Jul 20, 2015 10:56:53 GMT
You'd be pretty well prepared for a wide variety of 90% of likely events with a few cases of water, enough dried beans and rice to last a few days and a solid medical kit/radio. Everyone thinks you have to have years of food, water and super highly trained. I don't believe that.
You need a network (which we're trying to do here), you need a plan, and enough to get you through the initial parts. Then the willingness to work and get a garden going. IF it's some global killer and you survive there's going to be plenty of food in cans around. I'm not suggesting raiding but if there's a great drop in population I think some rules would be suspended for a bit.
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Post by as556 on Jul 20, 2015 12:22:23 GMT
I'm not suggesting raiding and I'm morally objected to thievery but if my family was hungry I don't know what my limit would be, I bet most of us would go further than we care to admit. I'd probably do anything short of outright homicide. Who knows..never been pushed that far.
I think raiding places that are clearly abandoned is totally fine and any gear off the dead is fair game. I'd hate to not survive due to poor decision making due to adhering to societal norms that are long since gone.
My .02c
I should add that doesn't apply to people in my circle of trust. One thing in life where I draw the line is betrayal of those whom I trust and who trust me. I'd rather die than do that.
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Post by omegaman on Jul 20, 2015 14:08:19 GMT
Dude Omega you got it going on with food preps..compared to me at least. I may try and dedicate $100 every 3 months to food and water preps. I live in an apartment soo..yeah, not a ton of room. It's 1k sq ft but still. I'm also hopelessly addicted to buying gun stuff. It's a real problem. Thanks man! I really don't have tons of water and food stuffs for months...but, I believe I can go up to a month. I agree with GBM on the realistic aspects of just how much you can store. It takes up alot of space and it is very expensive...my family still has to eat now  Most of what you see there was buying on a plan similar to you...just dedicating a fixed dollar amount every 3 months or so to shelf stable foods. I also include baking staples, cooking oil, soap, bleach, tin foil, etc...in those preps. My focus lately has been filling my freezer with meat (purchased in bulk), fish I catch, and veggies from the garden. With Omega_woman doing the "stay-at-home-mom" thing, money is really tight for us (which is fine and part of the plan) so my preps have shifted a bit from long-term storage to economic efficiency in the "here and now". Side note, I was just thinking about lumber, hardware, plastic sheeting, etc to keep on hand in case of a hurricane and it occurred to me that those would be useful items for general prepping. Especially the lumber. I believe social unrest will be the disaster most of us are likely to face, so the ability to reinforce doors and windows with 2 x 4's would be extremely important. And fire extinguishers. Just some random thoughts... 'cuz it ain't all boolits, food, and water  |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Jul 20, 2015 14:19:26 GMT
I agree. World collapses/tsunami/pandemic and loads of people are dead I think preserving life/lives/human race trumps grabbing necessary food/water/kit to maintain life. I don't think I'd ever kill someone for their kit but if it's abandoned/owners clearly dead in that sort of scenerio, it's fair game.
To me it's like finding an apple tree. Food there for the taking, maybe someone 100 years ago planted it but they're gone now. I'm not saying take it all and leave other out to dry but taking a portion to maintian your life, yes, that is acceptable to me.
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Post by LowKey on Jul 20, 2015 14:35:11 GMT
Side note, I was just thinking about lumber, hardware, plastic sheeting, etc to keep on hand in case of a hurricane and it occurred to me that those would be useful items for general prepping. Especially the lumber. I believe social unrest will be the disaster most of us are likely to face, so the ability to reinforce doors and windows with 2 x 4's would be extremely important. And fire extinguishers. Just some random thoughts... 'cuz it ain't all boolits, food, and water I've been thinking on this part of the subject for a while, but with more of a homesteading angle. Everything for our place in AK will have to come in by boat to the property and there won't be any quick runs to the hardware store! I'll need to stock ample odds and ends. One thing you might look into regarding the lumber is an Alaskan chainsaw mill. It mounts to the bar of your saw and lets you cut boards to thickness. If you have access to trees then you have ample lumber. Remember, you can work with green wood, just factor in the shrinkage. Should be plentyvof downed trees after hurricanes, ect. |
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Post by AngelOfWar on Jul 20, 2015 20:53:54 GMT
Lots of good stuff to ponder here...going to post some pics later, but to reinforce on some of the current ideas.
Hardware: Even for short term scenarios, you'll need the ability to "fabricate" and/or repair stuff. I have a small hardware store of bolts/nuts/hinges/mending plates, etc., properly organized by thread size, etc. Also, having those one of a kind specialty tools helps. Bolt Cutters, tin snips, hand operated rivet gun, AC/DC soldering iron (AC/DC, i.e. home and battery). I have a good stock of spare fuses, wires, switches, etc., even a small pond pump for draining flooding areas.
Power: I have a pretty good stash built up of AA/AAA/CR123 lithium batteries, and they are spread out (i.e. some at home, some in vehicle, some in camper, etc.). Now that my stash is built up, I plan on cycling them out by buying a 4 pack every three/6 months, depending on actual usage. They're good for 20-30 years, don't leak, maintain 90% of there power, and operate in better extremes of heat and cold. For me, it's a no brainer. Solar will only get you so far (think extended cloudy days, etc.)
As far as grabbing gear, I will try to maintain my moral compass for as long as possible...it's who I am. However...gear? Food? If the buildings are abandoned, the persons dead, etc., there's no moral question. I'm just maximiing the use of what ma-nature has provided (your gear is made from the earth, right?). Hurting people? I won't hunt them down, per-se, but I will stick to my guns on matters concerning my family, and it will usually cause them to attempt (or succeed), in drawing first blood, because there moral compass is jacked...
Most likely though, I will merely experience severe road rage trying to escape the next big hurricane that comes through...most likely though, I will bugging in. Anyone of my family/friends are welcome as long as they can handle a weapon and don't mind 4-6 hours of being "on-watch"...Ha!
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