AAR Sage Dynamics Simuntitions Vehicle Defense

6 May, 2015 Sage Dynamics Vehicle Defense After Action Review

Course focused on shooting positions from the drivers seat of your vehicle. The first few hours were focused on discussion of the use of a car for cover, what is actual cover vs concealment. In a nutshell, consider the vehicle poor cover apart from the engine, axles, pillars, and the transmission. Apart from that most bullets will pass easily through the car without much problem. The windshield will cause deflection however once you bore your hole you can shoot through it. However, I noticed something later that pretty much makes counting on boring a hole impossible. During a drill a guy was shooting at me through the windshield and I was shooting back. Each shot was in a different spot because he was shooting at me while moving and I was shooting back while he was moving. Not one of the paint markers were in the same spot. I also plowed the passenger side rear view as I shot him another 2 times in the face.

Basic fighting position were all done from the drivers seat. We needed to address drivers side approach, passenger side, right and left rear sides as well as the rear window. The passenger windows do not have safety glass and therefore will shatter on first shot causing minor deflection if any. Blast through those is needed.

We also worked removing the seat belt, drawing from the seat position and addressing the steering wheel. The temple index is of paramount use in the vehicle as not to muzzle cover the other occupants like your wife and kids. To address the passenger side and rear window assaults you draw and go directly to temple index. Once you've rotated into into position then you push the pistol out to address the threat. If you have a passenger in the front passenger seat you either need to press their chest back with your arm or push them down in the front seat. Addressing an assault from the back rear at the passenger windows requires you to temple index, place your hand on the occupant and hold them there as you punch out and deal with the threat.

Everything is based on the fact you can not escape by evading. This is a stuck in traffic defense from an assault. After we drilled with each person doing dry runs in their vehicles we moved to sims use. Now is gets damn froggy.

I was first bad guy car jacker. Driver was single occupant of pick up truck. I approved the window and displayed but didn't point the pistol at him and told him to rise his ass up out of my truck. He looked at me and grabbed his pistol but did not point it at me. I pointed my pistol at him and waited. And waited, and waited. Then the pointed the pistol at me and I served him 3 rds to his shoulder for his lack of aggression. Then he turned and shot me, I gave him one dead center on his heart and then he opened up on me and burned me down. Big lessons: Give up the car. If you need to burn them down once you've gained the advantage. Trying to out draw a drawn gun is foolish unless you have an over riding need to fight right then and there*. Once you've committed to the fight and decided to fight, GET TO FIGHTING. Don't point, don't threaten, shoot. As the criminal I waited on him a lot. I needed to motivate him to fight me, it wasn't the drill, he was supposed to surrender yet chose to fight. Trucks are not worth endangering your life.

My next act as a criminal was to aggress as a car jacker with a knife. Welp, it was Red eyes and I knew I'd get a fight. Well, it was quite a fight. Less than a second and I was out of the fight. I approached, tapped the glass with the knife and said rise up out! RE immediately drew and was presenting the pistol at me. I stepped left because he was going to face shoot me. Welp, I wasn't quite fast enough and he got me in the neck. OUCH! Sims to the neck hurt. Real world hurt. I really stumbled back in pain. The shot if real would have got my jugular, wind pipe and severed my spine. I stumbled back about 10 feet behind the car and leaned against a wall. RE gets out and yells at me to drop it. I did. Good win for him.

My next bad guy attempt was a double assault with another player with knives. I was passenger side and the other was driver. We approached from the rear after a rear end accident. We were loud and aggressive brandishing knives. The driver blasted the driver's side baddie and shot me once. Then I moved to cover around the truck and began jinking, then the other baddie got back up and began to aggress, got burned down again and I went straight at the driver. I recieved a few more rounds and died.

Next round as bad guy I was a kidnapper armed with gun trying to open the rear door on the truck trying to get a kid. I worked the door handle as the driver exited and came around the back drawing down on me. He gave me a verbal to stop. I didn't but he didn't see I was armed. He shot me 4 times in the arm pit ending me on the spot. It was exactly what I'd have done, one verbal and I'm burning them down.

Next bad guy runs was a straight up aggressive car jacking. I went in presented aggressively while commanding him out of the truck. He exited while shooting at me and missed because I jinked in front of the car. I jinked back and forth over the hood while firing around the truck. He was shooting and missing and I pooped my head up and he shot through the car, through the windshield and Aaron gave me the sign that he'd won and I was to lay out. He'd had 5 on target through the windshield in the same spot. Good fight, his shot group was tight and he'd have made the hole.

Part II

Funny moments.

RE was dealing with a persistant beggar who was drunk. He ended up telling him ina very southern accent "Just go home."

Me painting ol' boys taint.


SRS Biz note: No one saw their sights yet it was a high hit percentage. I recall seeing my front sight a few times but more often I was just using trigger control and body alignment.

There are videYOs! I'm waiting on Mrs. Alice to upload them to YouTube.

I'm torn, GBM -

In one hand, I'm so damn jealous of all the ridiculously cool training you have access to in a reasonable driving distance with quality instructors....

In the other, I'm so damn thankful they're not here because I just don't have the kind of money I wish I had to throw at such cool classes all the time as I'd be likely to do if Sage was somewhere near me.

Jealousy is coming out ahead, just so you know.

They are uploaded to the Sage Dynamics secret group. I didn't know if it was cool with the participants or Aaron to put them in the public domain. If it is no problems I can put them on Youtube sometime soon.

Send Aaron a friend request and he will add you to the group. I have 3 more 12 hour shifts before I have time for things. I will try to get Alice to post them up on Youtube in semi private later. Maybe post them up in Offtopic. You know how douchebaggy the non training basement dwelling losers who know how to talk the talk on gun forums but never seem to actually show up when it is time to put lead on paper can be. Aaron seems to be somewhat careful with his public image and I don't blame him. Nobody needs a bunch of cretinous subhumans circle jerking about something they don't understand.

OH, hai! I forgot a scenario where I was a car jacker. I approached the passenger side with a pistol and told him to get out. He presented and we began fighting, I don't recall who fired first but it was a short volley and I was hit once and retreated to the back of the vehicle. The driver got out and began shooting at me as I came around the back of the truck. I did the typical gangster thing with a creeping hunched bouncing run and held the pistol side ways while firing 3 shots as I ran by. He was rapidly shooting at me from a stationary position using both hands and grazed one across my chest. I planted one dead center on his chest and one into his hands. I was not aiming, wasn't even looking that way apart from a glance.

So what are the take aways from that? Just because it's bad technique it can still ruin your day. He should have been moving to cover towards the front of the truck and/or at least moving somewhere else and changing elevation. I had him set and stuck.