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Post by nxp on Apr 15, 2015 13:25:56 GMT
Belts for boxing isn't a thing. We do it. Personally I think boxing is one of the hardest and best martial disciplines hand down. There for I took it upon myself to give out belt levels for it. The owner of the school agrees. There is no belt system in wrestling (grappling) or Thai boxing either but we hand them out anywho. Those are my core disciplines. If you're a solid boxer, can kick effectively and grapple well, then you'll probably have favorable outcomes if you're a conditioned fighter. So I hand out meaningless belt for these martial disciplines. People like it too so there is that. Side note, I've trained people to fight at my yellow belt level who've whipped other schools black belts. Thats cool. It may sound trivial how small a motivation something like a colored belt is, but for most any kind of tangible reward for all their hard effort will push them on to more training. Not fitness related, but I used to break down my stock trophies (had tons of them due to the class structure and lack of real local competition; pay my $15 entry fee, turn the stereo on and tada - trophy) and hand them back out to all the new guys that showed up a 2nd or 3rd time and made significant jumps in their scores. The promoter was cool with it, and I didn't need a bunch of plastic tiers in the basement. Really got the new guys fired up and they would trade them around if other new folks showed up. Honestly, probably the best 3 years of local/regional competition we had with lots of new folks joining in and having a great time. We had guys through the entire state that would travel, and meet up with other states for comps. Then the old crew got out due to money and no one cared anymore. Shit fell apart fast, it was a bummer. I applaud you for encouraging others to succeed, bro.  |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Apr 15, 2015 13:39:28 GMT
I try. In the adult class there are about 25 people. I train about 4-5 people on strength, conditioning and my 3 core arts. There isn't really a way to reward them other than belt. I could sit there are write down everything they do, track their gains, manage their weight and track their reps. And they'd ignore them.
Really, I'd like to have be able to show them with this training you're going to smoke that guy in 17 years from now and walk away without a mark on you but that's just not possible.
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Post by LowKey on Apr 18, 2015 19:38:41 GMT
Belts for boxing isn't a thing. We do it. Personally I think boxing is one of the hardest and best martial disciplines hand down. There for I took it upon myself to give out belt levels for it. The owner of the school agrees. There is no belt system in wrestling (grappling) or Thai boxing either but we hand them out anywho. Those are my core disciplines. If you're a solid boxer, can kick effectively and grapple well, then you'll probably have favorable outcomes if you're a conditioned fighter. So I hand out meaningless belt for these martial disciplines. People like it too so there is that. Side note, I've trained people to fight at my yellow belt level who've whipped other schools black belts. IIRC, old school wisdom has always said the fast way to become leathal to 99% of the threats you will encounter (in a hand to hand sense) is to pump iron and learn how to box. |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Apr 18, 2015 21:08:52 GMT
I completely agree, Lowkey. Are you ever going to fight a pro? No, pros aren't going to waste their time or have any legal trouble from mauling you. Majority of criminals are not well trained or seriously lack conditioning. Random person losing there minds, equally lowly trained.
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Post by nxp on Apr 18, 2015 21:27:22 GMT
I kinda wish we were closer, GBM. I'd take a boxing lesson or 5 from ya.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Apr 19, 2015 1:45:25 GMT
That's the thing about boxing, it's a journey. Not the don't stop believing kind, well, a little, but it takes a lifetime master. Once you get basics, you need to work footwork, then movement, etc. Not an easy sport at all.
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Post by LowKey on Apr 19, 2015 11:36:27 GMT
GBM, here's a question for you-
If we accept the old school wisdom I mentioned earlier as true, how well would such a person fair against someone with a knife?
This is where I'm thinking the basics from a grappling art, anything from greco-roman/olympic style wrestling to aikido would provide a good method to neutralize/control the sharp while the boxing skills pulverized the attacker.
TL;DR- Add enough grappling skills to deal with an opponents knife without getting carved up into a boxer's toolbox and he/she should be ending the fight in 30 seconds or less.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Apr 19, 2015 12:46:35 GMT
I don't teach "ring" boxing, I teach dirty boxing mixed with old school pancrase (old greek wrestling where you'd punch and kick) and thai kickboxing. We do knife work too, I teach my guys to block, trap and deflect knife blows. Sad fact is you're gonna get stab but you are gonna get stabbed doing nothing too. I teach them to go for it. I tell all the time, you may die but go down fighting.
IMO this is the pinnacle of mixed martial arts, know effective grappling, dirty boxing, and kick like a damn mule with baseball bats for legs. Once you get that down its just conditioning, ability to fight, and will of the fighter.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Apr 19, 2015 13:02:13 GMT
Just to add on I don't teach MMA style grappling, I teach ground and pound, throws, chokes and punching/kneeing from the clinch. I don't not believe arm, leg or any other bars are effective in a street fight. All the time it take to wrench on someone's whatever limb can better served punching, kneeing or dropping elbows on to something important to their ability to fight like the head, diaphragm or ribs. I give grapplers limbs just to show them once the focus their body on a limb I can smash their face.
Dirty boxing is a mix of Kung Fu, Thai, Irish, French (Yes, the French Silat boxing is good) and a few other boxing styles I'm forgetting. Ring boxing doesn't allow for grabbing, we do. They don't wrap arms or go for the clinch, we do and are comfortable there. That stated, Ring Boxing is an awesome sport and anyone who's good at it should be taken very seriously.
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Post by nxp on Apr 19, 2015 16:22:04 GMT
Personally I think it'd be a hoot and WAY MORE FUN than running/KB on cardio/Conditioning day. It would also be a fun change up in the monotony of just going to the gym sometimes.
Slightly (?) boxing related -
And just because I know some of you will find this ammusing, I did attempt (key word) to use the jumprope(s) from the gym this last week on cardio day. I got about 5 jumps in and settled my hands to spin and proceeded to smack myself in the back of the head twice before I got the rope stopped.
No prob, I'll grab another rope - same thing. Damnit. Grab another rope - yup. So either someone trimmed all the ropes in the gym to Hobbit length, or I'm just rope stupid. In all honesty, it could be a combination of the two. Either way, the back of my head still smarts a little (thanks wire ropes) and I need to shop for my OWN rope to bring, because I suck at jumping rope.
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Post by redeyes on Apr 21, 2015 13:20:39 GMT
I forgot to post #32 it was more side control stuff. #33 My day started yesterday morning at 7AM. I spent around 7 hours getting a 8.5'x9'x10' shed up on a trailer. I had to jack both ends of the shed up about 3', then I used a come along to pull that sumbich up on the trailer. Took much finese, judicious use of cinder blocks, and brute strength but it got done. I went home from that with the expectation that I would eat lunch, take a nap and go to jiu jitsu that night. I got called in to work instead. I got off at 7AM and went to the morning jiu jitsu class. It was a fun class. We worked on stand up sweeps from guard. We rolled at the end. I won one and lost one. I am just ashes in the pipe right now. Smoked.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Apr 21, 2015 17:00:47 GMT
This is the type of stuff I do as well.
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Post by nxp on Apr 22, 2015 13:31:36 GMT
Not enough love this week. So far only 9 in pull ups (wide/med/neutral), no numero 10. It's close, I can feel it. Dips are getting better fo' sho.
Traded out my usual flat bench for incline today, had to drop weight but still felt good - change can be bueno.
Changed some positioning around with the feet/angles for my deads; weight went up, felt better but was loading different muscles. Need longer socks, or so my shins are telling me. Limiting factor is becoming grip strength - farmer walks are now on the list 'er-day.
Soon, soon I will catch GBM... Row harder Ishmael!
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Apr 22, 2015 14:45:23 GMT
I went straight to chin ups last night, pulled 3 set of ten. Huh....werd.
Used the land mine with 45 lbs for squats. 3 set of 15. Did bench and push ups as well as jogging a mile and doing 10 sets 50m springs and jobs.
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Post by as556 on Apr 22, 2015 17:34:28 GMT
Pull ups are gnarly, 10 is really good IMO especially if you're 200+lbs. I'm about 180 and can consistently do 7-9 but not three sets. I'm more like 8-6-4.
Good job guys.
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