Post by Browning35 on Jun 1, 2014 12:31:12 GMT
I believe that you're right in that the Military is largely more of a blue-collar career choice. Always has been and it probably always will be. I'd have to disagree with you on the idea that liberals/progressives want to respect Soldiers, Marines, Sailors and Airmen.
Where it's come up in conversation the progressives I've met have nothing but total contempt for the Military and Police.
As far as the pensions of Police and Firefighters go what you're talking about is the end to collective bargaining by the unions and some pension funds being fiscally unsustainable. Especially after 9/11 Police and Firefighter unions did very well, as the economy started winding down for some cities they couldn't afford to pay those pension funds. Some cities are in real trouble as they've been borrowing from the Police and Fire pension funds for years.
Calling for an end to collective bargaining is more of a northern thing (due to the unions, down here it's all right to work) and even there it's actually a bi-partisan issue. In reality the Dems and the Reps take turns trying to roll them back. The AFL-CIO and the IAFF just makes a bigger deal out of it when it's a Republican effort to do it (as the leadership of those unions is largely Dem while much of the rank and file is Republican). That's better than the city in question declaring bankruptcy.
Where it's come up in conversation the progressives I've met have nothing but total contempt for the Military and Police.
As far as the pensions of Police and Firefighters go what you're talking about is the end to collective bargaining by the unions and some pension funds being fiscally unsustainable. Especially after 9/11 Police and Firefighter unions did very well, as the economy started winding down for some cities they couldn't afford to pay those pension funds. Some cities are in real trouble as they've been borrowing from the Police and Fire pension funds for years.
Calling for an end to collective bargaining is more of a northern thing (due to the unions, down here it's all right to work) and even there it's actually a bi-partisan issue. In reality the Dems and the Reps take turns trying to roll them back. The AFL-CIO and the IAFF just makes a bigger deal out of it when it's a Republican effort to do it (as the leadership of those unions is largely Dem while much of the rank and file is Republican). That's better than the city in question declaring bankruptcy.
