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Post by NamelessStain on Apr 15, 2015 10:57:43 GMT
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Post by MrEMonkey on May 7, 2015 1:33:57 GMT
Might be a little bit tin foil-ish, but what is everybody else thinking about this Jade Helm exercise? I mostly think it's nothing to worry about, and really want to think that way, but honestly, it just feels a little funny. Not a lot that I can put my finger on, exactly, but my gut just doesn't like it.
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Post by Browning35 on May 7, 2015 2:43:58 GMT
Might be a little bit tin foil-ish, but what is everybody else thinking about this Jade Helm exercise? I mostly think it's nothing to worry about, and really want to think that way, but honestly, it just feels a little funny. Not a lot that I can put my finger on, exactly, but my gut just doesn't like it. I think that for the most part it's just what they're saying it is, a military exercise. In my opinion though besides the benefits of training for the military (from what I understand it's the largest exercise of its type in a long time) it's also a way of keeping their finger on the nations pulse and to gauge the reaction to the exercise from the various States, politicians and individual groups of citizens. Meaning if these politicians-officials-citizens cause trouble and demand answers over an exercise involving hypothetical martial law, think of how much trouble they'd cause if martial law was actually declared. That sort of thing. Q : Do I think that this administration and the U.S. Military are going to implement martial law using this exercise as a vehicle for disguise? A : No, I totally don't. However I suspect that while Jade Helm is going on they're collecting information on the reactions to this exercise from Federal, State and Local politicians and officials as well as prominent citizens, political activists and dissidents. That way if they ever had to do it for real they'd know what to expect. They might not ever use the information, but it'll be there. Just an opinion though, I'm just sumdood on the interwebz.
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Post by MrEMonkey on May 7, 2015 22:59:26 GMT
That's not exactly helping me shed the tin foil cap, dudebro. In fact, my gut just said "yeah, that's the kind of thing that was bothering me."
That being the case, seems like the best thing to do is vocally say it's not a thing, all is well. Deny that information. That sort of thing.
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Post by Browning35 on May 8, 2015 0:16:03 GMT
Sorry, that's the best I have. At least it involves less tinfoil per hat so you get that savings. The U.S. Government has always been big on collecting information and having contingency plans even if they don't end up being used. Personally I think they'll do their exercise, that'll be that and we'll never hear another thing about it. Politicians will get a little more of their 15 minutes in front of a camera regardless of which side of the aisle they sit on with the Liberals pretending to be patriotic flagwavers and supporting the military and the Republicans playing up to the conservatives and saying we need to be a little bit more cautious and find out what the whole thing's about (while doing nothing but scheduling another interview).
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Post by MrEMonkey on May 8, 2015 15:31:53 GMT
I'll take what I can get...and you're most likely right. Still just doesn't quite sit right with me.
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Post by NamelessStain on May 8, 2015 17:22:56 GMT
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Post by LowKey on May 8, 2015 18:02:25 GMT
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Post by Browning35 on May 8, 2015 18:36:43 GMT
I'll take what I can get...and you're most likely right. Still just doesn't quite sit right with me. No, doesn't sit quite right with me either. It doesn't seems like it even matters what information they collect on citizens, look at David Coleman Headly (*Click*) and Elton Simpson (*Click*). All that money, all those surveillance programs and all that effort and it hasn't prevented anything unless it was a sting where federal agents or a CI approached the suspect and lured them into something. It seems like America is doing the long, slow, slide into a combination of Corporate Plutarchy with some occasional bones being thrown to the mob to appease them (an Ochlocracy) from what was once a Constitutional Republic. Still many Republic-like features left over in the US (especially when compared to much of the globe), but it seems like it's slowly changing...and not for the better. A Military running exercises in the nation it's defending shouldn't be that big of a deal, but some people are looking at this as a dry-run for martial law simply because the U.S. Government in general and this administration in particular isn't exactly trusted by many people. There have been all kinds of rumblings for the past few years about both the DHS and FEMA preparing for an economic collapse or a widespread pandemic. Those two topics seem like they pop up over and over again. Some of what's reported is just like with these exercises, much of it is true back up by legitimate sources, but some of it is likely exaggerated. The reporting could be the signs of something ominous on the horizon or it could be just that the government is preparing to restore order and provide aid to American citizens during a major disaster and/or civil unrest if and whenever it happens and to ready the Military for their role overseas and in the US. All that is on their short list of ' Honey-Do's' since that's what those agencies are actually tasked with doing. The Military is also a part of those efforts. So it's hard to tell sometimes what is a real threat to our freedoms and what is the government actually doing their job. The mainstream media sure doesn't help. :Shrug (Way longer than I intended, but screw it)
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Post by LowKey on May 8, 2015 19:02:08 GMT
Not far off from my assessment, either. I wouldn't be surprised if balkanization were a strong possibility. Left coast and East coast don't exactly sing in harmony with the middle. Problem is, last time the subject of a split came up, one party beat the shit out of the other and threated to kill them if they filed for divorce. Not sure how that would play out now except that it would not be pretty.
Then you have to factor in concerns about outside parties trying to move in/take advantage during any upheavals.
This would all be so much easier if they (.gov) would just follow the rules and do the job they're authorized to do (by the Constitution) as they're supposed to do.
That, and if I had a time machine to go back and pistol whip all the idiots who decided that the concepts of ethics and honor weren't worth instilling into successive generations.
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Post by MrEMonkey on Jul 14, 2015 22:35:34 GMT
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Post by LowKey on Jul 15, 2015 4:17:01 GMT
Is it too early to post this in the "Man-Made Disasters" sub-forum yet? Not too early. Too late. This man-made disaster started in 2008, although one could make a good argument that it started in August of 1961.
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Post by MrEMonkey on Jul 15, 2015 4:46:25 GMT
Touché.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Jul 15, 2015 11:49:52 GMT
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