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Post by Browning35 on Dec 22, 2013 4:41:44 GMT
Yeah, I caught a few birdshot pellets to the face and hand from a shotgun when I was younger. Was hoping maybe it was a case like that. Or maybe it was a case where a few of the pellets actually penetrated the skull, but where they'd be able to do surgery and repair the damage and she'd have a chance at a regular life free from any physical disabilities. Usually a shotgun blast to the head at point blank range will kill someone outright, if they manage to survive for a week after chances are pretty good they'll make it period.
In the absence of other information you just kind of hope for the best for the other person.
Strong girl to hold on as long as she did. If anything maybe she got to say goodbye to her family and maybe this helps them in some tiny way. Pretty jacked up from beginning to end.
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Post by shiddymunkie on Dec 22, 2013 4:42:06 GMT
Okay, cool. That's what I thought you were doing, meaning that by selecting only certain incidents (the incidents with the higher body counts) and using that as your pool to draw those stats from that you're going to reach a biased conclusion. Link doesn't work.
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Post by RTF Squared on Dec 22, 2013 5:13:59 GMT
Strong girl to hold on as long as she did. If anything maybe she got to say goodbye to her family and maybe this helps them in some tiny way. Pretty jacked up from beginning to end. QFT. She was in a coma the entire time. I hope it wasn't the case of parents making the tough decision to end life support. I could only imagine the pain that would come with either side of the coin. Glad to see you survived the birdshot. There was a shooting in the old crappy neighborhood where a kid on my street got shot in the face about ten feet away with birdshot. Peppered the right side of his face, lost the eye, but he made it. Much less tragic and easier to stomach when between two gangbangers who both committed to fighting over petty BS though.
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Post by Browning35 on Dec 22, 2013 20:47:56 GMT
I looked at the link you listed and did a quick tally of how all the incidents listed in the link ended.
Suicide : 27 Apprehended and imprisoned : 63 Left scene : 7 (5 escaped capture altogether, that kind of surprised me) Shot by police : 3 Suicide in prison : 2 Unknown : 2
I don't know how complete that list is, but that's the number I got. If there were 3 offenders in an incident and they were all apprehended then that was scored as a 3 rather than as a 1.
Just think that it's a mistake to think that all these twisted douchebags are going to automatically commit suicide if left to their own devices. In the vast majority of these incidents the police confronted and arrested them, it was required that they do something to stop the incident.
[meant to quote your post above, but accidentally hit the mod button to edit your post - I put it back the way you had it, sorry about that...my mistake]
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Post by shiddymunkie on Dec 23, 2013 0:53:31 GMT
I looked at the link you listed and did a quick tally of how all the incidents listed in the link ended. Suicide : 27 Apprehended and imprisoned : 63 Left scene : 7 (5 escaped capture altogether, that kind of surprised me) Shot by police : 3 Suicide in prison : 2 Unknown : 2 I don't know how complete that list is, but that's the number I got. If there were 3 offenders in an incident and they were all apprehended then that was scored as a 3 rather than as a 1. Just think that it's a mistake to think that all these twisted douchebags are going to automatically commit suicide if left to their own devices. In the vast majority of these incidents the police confronted and arrested them, it was required that they do something to stop the incident. [meant to quote your post above, but accidentally hit the mod button to edit your post - I put it back the way you had it, sorry about that...my mistake] You're correct, in most incidents the police confronted the assailant(s) however most incidents were not mass shootings either. But for those that were, suicide was the result ~80% of the time. This was the point I was trying to make, that there are different types of school shootings, and each type exhibits unique behaviors. The vast majority of incidents were the result of "personal disputes" between the assailant and another specific individual, and so those shootings are not really all that different than your typical personal dispute shooting , they just so happened to have occurred at a school. I don't think that's that kind of shooting people are concerned about nowadays though -- it's more about these random acts of mass violence, and those types of incidents tend to end in the suicide of the shooter. If we are not concerned with the "type" of school shooting, then you are correct, most school shootings required police intervention and most had 1 or fewer deaths. But, if we are principally concerned about the Columbine/Virgina Tech/Sandy Hook type of shootings, then that's a different situation with different characteristics to be noted.
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Post by shiddymunkie on Dec 23, 2013 1:06:00 GMT
On second thought, the point I was really trying to make was that the presence of an armed officer seemed like it an effective way to help combat school shootings, as it limits the shooter's time/opportunity to inflict damage. Whether or not the shooter commits suicide is beside the point, really.
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Post by Browning35 on Dec 23, 2013 3:29:39 GMT
That was the point that I was trying to make though. Many of these school shootings would have turned into mass murder scenes if it hadn't been for the police or some bystander intervening. :Shrug
Many of them might have also committed suicide if they'd managed to complete what they set out to do and weren't interrupted by someone else.
None of us have a crystal ball to tell us what would have happened on way or the other, but there's a pretty good possibility that this would have happened. Especially since many of them had detailed plans to tell us so. That's why I was saying that relying solely on the incidents where they'd killed 4 or more people weren't reliable. Better to sift through them and try to figure out which of them were gang related and which ones were attempted mass murders.
I think we might actually be making many of the same points and just saying them in different ways.
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Post by shiddymunkie on Dec 24, 2013 6:10:46 GMT
That was the point that I was trying to make though. Many of these school shootings would have turned into mass murder scenes if it hadn't been for the police or some bystander intervening. :Shrug Many of them might have also committed suicide if they'd managed to complete what they set out to do and weren't interrupted by someone else. None of us have a crystal ball to tell us what would have happened on way or the other, but there's a pretty good possibility that this would have happened. Especially since many of them had detailed plans to tell us so. That's why I was saying that relying solely on the incidents where they'd killed 4 or more people weren't reliable. Better to sift through them and try to figure out which of them were gang related and which ones were attempted mass murders. Oh I see what you're saying.
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Post by Browning35 on Dec 24, 2013 6:24:38 GMT
Yeah, sometimes the web isn't the best means of communication. Wrong choice of words on my part maybe, I don't know. You get what I mean now.
Just a minor point and I didn't mean for it to drag on this long.
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