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Post by LowKey on Mar 10, 2018 6:51:09 GMT
Sexy guns, Rick.
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Post by Browning35 on Mar 11, 2018 1:11:34 GMT
The only reason I like a forward assist on some AR's is because of tree stands.
The way it goes is you wander on down to your tree stand about an hour before shooting light, you get to the base of the stand, you tie a rope to your unloaded rifle or you sling it across your back and you climb up there. If you use a rope you pull the rifle up after you.
Then after you're up there you chamber a rd. You're trying to make as little noise as possible, so you're easing the rd in there. Half the time the bolt is open just a tiny bit and so you hit the forward assist, it goes forward, you throw on the safety...done.
That's the only time that sticks out in my mind of using the forward assist where I actually needed it.
So I get it.
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As usual, very nice guns Rick.
You should go into business or something decking out guns. Bet you anything people would buy them.
Edit : On the AR pistol is that a Noveske Pig or a flash can of some sort?
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Post by rickoshea on Mar 11, 2018 3:50:06 GMT
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Post by LowKey on Mar 12, 2018 1:09:20 GMT
The only reason I like a forward assist on some AR's is because of tree stands. Yup, I can see that and to me that is really the only real reason for a forward assist...not to force stuff into battery that doesn't want to go. I'm just pondering how worthwhile it is on a 300BLK that runs a can. Part of me wonders if it souldn't be simpler under the circumstances you describe to just chamber a round and put the weapon on safe before heading into the woods. Heresy to some, I know, to trust the mechanical safety....but still. After all, I trust parking brakes enough that I don't really feel the need to use chock blocks when I park my vehicle.
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Post by dannusmaximus on Mar 12, 2018 1:47:43 GMT
The only reason I like a forward assist on some AR's is because of tree stands. Yup, I can see that and to me that is really the only real reason for a forward assist...not to force stuff into battery that doesn't want to go. I'm just pondering how worthwhile it is on a 300BLK that runs a can. Part of me wonders if it souldn't be simpler under the circumstances you describe to just chamber a round and put the weapon on safe before heading into the woods. Heresy to some, I know, to trust the mechanical safety....but still. After all, I trust parking brakes enough that I don't really feel the need to use chock blocks when I park my vehicle. I am also perfectly OK letting a rifle in condition one “hang on safe”, so to speak. If I think I might need to use a firearm, I keep a round in the chamber. I do understand that it is pretty common for hunters to leave their weapons unloaded or a round unchambered until they get to where they are going and are ready to set up and shoot. I’m not a hunter, so that really isn’t an issue for me. One thing I occasionally will use the forward assist for is to seat the first round from a filled to capacity magazine. It seems like some magazines, especially newer ones, have an extreme amount of tension on the first round, and if you try to strip it out using just the slingshot of your buffer spring it may only strip the round partially. A few hits of the forward assist will seat that first round all the way.
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Post by Browning35 on Mar 12, 2018 16:14:34 GMT
Part of me wonders if it souldn't be simpler under the circumstances you describe to just chamber a round and put the weapon on safe before heading into the woods. Heresy to some, I know, to trust the mechanical safety....but still. After all, I trust parking brakes enough that I don't really feel the need to use chock blocks when I park my vehicle. Perfectly reasonable question and I've thought of that too. That's just the way I was taught and so it's what I've stuck with. I'm sure that there are situations in the military where doing a more quiet reload is beneficial (tactical withdrawal in a situation where the mag in your gun ran dry, you couldn't reload until you got to cover and now the enemy troops are looking for your team...but perhaps I read too many books on war, combat and the biographies of soldiers who had extraordinary careers). I'm not sure how often that sort of thing has happened though. Probably pretty rare. That's just the only situation that I've run into as a gun owner.
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Post by LowKey on Mar 12, 2018 19:28:07 GMT
Part of me wonders if it souldn't be simpler under the circumstances you describe to just chamber a round and put the weapon on safe before heading into the woods. Heresy to some, I know, to trust the mechanical safety....but still. After all, I trust parking brakes enough that I don't really feel the need to use chock blocks when I park my vehicle. Perfectly reasonable question and I've thought of that too. That's just the way I was taught and so it's what I've stuck with. I'm sure that there are situations in the military where doing a more quiet reload is beneficial (tactical withdrawal in a situation where the mag in your gun ran dry, you couldn't reload until you got to cover and now the enemy troops are looking for your team...but perhaps I read too many books on war, combat and the biographies of soldiers who had extraordinary careers). I'm not sure how often that sort of thing has happened though. Probably pretty rare. That's just the only situation that I've run into as a gun owner. I think we're on the same wavelength here. I've heard it said by a few persons (one being Clint Smith) that the indentation in the side of the BCG is for the purpose of pushing the bolt forward under the circumstances you mention; which is why it was there from the start and that it's more than sufficient to do the job as long as the round "wants" to go in the camber along with the comment that if it doesn't "want" to go in there why would you beat it into the chamber? I dunno if that's 100% accurate, but it has me wondering.
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Post by LowKey on May 18, 2018 3:34:32 GMT
Well, the missus and I took another stray home tonight. A steel frame compact Witness in 9mm. Later we're going to see how well a full length slide sits on the compact frame. BTW, have I mentioned before that these will let you swap calibers by changing slides and mags? I've my fingers crossed that the full length slide works out on this one, as I have a hankering for a 10mm with a shorter grip (easier to conceal IMHO) but full length barrel. If all works out as hoped, later on down the road the gun should get some custom grips, engraving, and refinished...either nitriding or perhaps case hardening. Maybe even a name
*edited to add* BTW, what's the preferred pill to feed through this pez dispenser these days? Just picked up a cheap box of Winchester 147gr hollow points from Wally-World to tide me over until I figure out a better load.
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Post by dannusmaximus on May 26, 2018 3:10:00 GMT
I don’t know if there is really “a preferred pill” when it comes to HD bullets anymore. I’ve currently got Hornady critical duty as my social loads for all my handguns, 9mm, .380, and .45. I’ve done probably as much research as you have as far as looking at gel tests, YouTube videos, etc., for many of the major self-defense loads and brands, and it seems like every one of them will do the job, at least in theory. I didn’t pick the critical duty for any particular reason other then it feeds well in all my pistols has decent gel tests and is fairly reasonably priced around here. I know a rule of thumb used to be try to select loads that local law-enforcement uses, so you can’t be lawyered to death because you picked “high powered, explosive tipped, heat seeking, fully semi automatic assault bullets” if you plug some dirtbag.
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Post by LowKey on May 27, 2018 19:44:10 GMT
...a rule of thumb used to be try to select loads that local law-enforcement uses, so you can’t be lawyered to death because you picked “high powered, explosive tipped, heat seeking, fully semi automatic assault bullets” if you plug some dirtbag. But I'd like an explosive tipped heat seeking HD round Can you just imagine the deterrent factor when the home security camera footage of the SD shooting leaks out and all the perps associates watch as he goes from "super thug" to a pair of legs attached to a set of hips stumbling about with a big empty space where the torso used to be? Downsides would be the cleaning bill for whatever room said event occurred in as well as trying to determine the safe stand off.
In all seriousness, I seem to recall that there was some debate* going on over the weight of 9mm projectiles....light and zippy vs heavy and slow, and I'm wondering how that played out. The 147gr stuff I grabbed at Wally World was simply what was on the shelf at a low price point, as I wasn't wanting to spend higher per round until I know what load is a keeper. 10mm is fairly simple, 180 for SD and 200-220 for trail loads. 9mm is Terra-incognito to me at this point. I'm leaning towards light and zippy for faster shot recovery times, but I'm not sure. While I could wade through tons of data out there on the net some of that is just BS, and the folks here seem to do a pretty good job of sifting the wheat from the chaff and pulling a Joe Friday.
*How surprising...
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Post by Browning35 on May 29, 2018 21:18:05 GMT
BTW, what's the preferred pill to feed through this pez dispenser these days? Just picked up a cheap box of Winchester 147gr hollow points from Wally-World to tide me over until I figure out a better load. I don't think that's a bad choice for carry. If finances and availability aren't an issue then I generally go straight up the middle of the debate by using 124 grain. My middle of the road choices ... • Winchester Ranger-T 9mm +P 124 or 127 grain +P+ JHP ------------ • Federal Hydra-Shok 124 Grain HP ----------- • Rem Golden Saber 124 grain JHP www.surplusammo.com/products/9mm-124-grain-bbjhp-p-remington-golden-saber-black-belt-50-rounds.html--------------- • Rem Golden Saber 147 grain JHP www.sgammo.com/product/remington/50-round-box-9mm-bonded-remington-golden-saber-147-grain-ammo-gsb9mmc------------ I have quite a few 9mm's now and basically I try to make sure that the loads that I buy will feed in all of them. IMHO for the most part inexpensive bulk choices from the major ammo companies are just as good as the premium 'Ray of a Death' ammo that one sees advertised on gun sites on the web and in gun magazines that I flip through while waiting for a prescription. Every once in awhile something new will come out that has some potential (RBCB and Glaser come to mind), but except for an occasional test box I stick with the tried and true stuff. The Gucci fodder is usually too expensive to test out a great deal for feed, function and accuracy tests. So while I'm somewhat interested in new ammo bullets, cases and propellants...lots of times it turns out to be smoke and mirrors. Too me 124 grain +P is where it's at for 9's. I'll veer off course a bit here and there, but that's mostly what I buy and use. I used to really like 115 grain (I was wowed by the velocity numbers), but 124 and 147 seem to penetrate a bit better and if it doesn't reach the intended target (perhaps through cover or concealment) and go in and put a hole in vital organs by reaching them you're sunk. If I need to buy defensive loads for whatever reason and I need them to be less expensive is the only time that I go back to 115 gr. My inexpensive choices when I'm feeling like the Ebenezer Scrooge of ammo buying that will still jack someone up, but not leave me completely broke are ... • Federal 115 grain Hi-Shok www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/50rds-9mm-federal-le-hishok-115gr-hollow-point-ammo• Winchester 115 grain JHP white box. This is my inexpensive Walmart choice. It's a hollow point, it actually opens up fairly well when we've shot up hog carcasses and it feeds out of every 9mm pistol I own.
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Post by rickoshea on Jun 1, 2018 3:18:39 GMT
Kinda interested in those Tisas (Turkey) Hi-Power clones. I almost got a new Browning HP a couple years back, but put it off. Then when I checked back again (Bud's) they were out-of-stock. As I understand it, Browning/FN made the last production run of Hi-Powers two or three years ago, then dismantled and packed away all the equipment....Then earlier this year they officially announced they were no longer in production.
I have an old 1970 model HP I got from my Grandfather, but it has the dinky little sights, doesn't like hollow-points, and is fairly worn-out. These Tisas pistols are about half the cost of what new Browning HP's were going for, so I may spin the wheel and give one a try.
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Post by Browning35 on Jun 2, 2018 13:21:05 GMT
@ Rick I've heard those Tisas are actually pretty good. I don't have any experience with them though. Since I like HP/GP-35's so much apparently if someone goes shooting with me fairly regularly then eventually you'll want a HP. Since BHP's were kind of expensive even before FN announced that they weren't making it any longer over the years about half of my shooting buddies ended up with a BHP copy and half bought an actual Browning/FN. So I have some experience with most of the Hi-Power copies, just not that one. If they bought actual FN's about half of those were Israeli surplus models (those have dried up, although you can still find them here and there). Only a few actually ponied up bought a Browning/FN. With the rest they bought Hungarian FEG's, Charles Daly, Argentine FM's, one buddy out did me and bought one of those FAMCO models and then customized the shit out of it and then one bought an Israeli Kareem. Personally if I were going with a clone rather than buying an original or an Israeli surplus one I'd take a chance and try out one of those Tisas. They really look good. However if for whatever reason you decided to not get one of those and you're looking to buy a BHP copy for even less then maybe give those Kareen's a look. They're on gun broker for less than $400. The finish is a little weak, but they work well. www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=Israeli%20hi-powerThose are perfect for truck duty. As far as the Tisas pistols go what I've heard on forums, read in articles and seen on YouTube the Tisas is supposed to be pretty good though. The Turks really seem to be stepping their game up in the gun industry. Other than that I'd get an FEG. I liked those. Right down to the gloss bluing.
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Post by as556 on Jun 2, 2018 18:33:49 GMT
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Post by LowKey on Jun 2, 2018 20:48:41 GMT
Thanks, good to know.
BTW, I got that special phone call a few days ago so it looks I'll be adding more miles to my frequent flier membership in about a month, assuming nothing goes awry.
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