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Post by Gingerbread Man on Mar 19, 2015 13:49:40 GMT
I'm talking casually with a guy on FB and he hates Glock, like he says it's wildly inaccurate and junk. I ignore the taunts but it begs the question, why does thqat make you an expert with other guns or an expert shooter to hate Glock. Easy target? too popular?
I like Glocks, but I'm not saying Hk stinks or CZ is junk. Just odd because he thinks a 586 S&W is a viable duty weapon.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Mar 19, 2015 13:50:39 GMT
Oh, and AR-15s are underpowered and the M1 Carbine is far superior. Guy's ok, but so internet rumor.
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Post by redeyes on Mar 19, 2015 15:21:39 GMT
Sounds like what I call an old fogey gun expert. Meaning, his firearms knowledge was all relevant and considered right in his day. His day was in the 1960's though. He is the type of dude who goes to a range where they have a nice clubhouse and nice skeet shooting range and crappy pistol and rifle ranges where it is one shot per second, no draws, and rifle shooters have to shoot from the bench. For him a day at the range means: 1. Go to safe and pick a revolver, 1911, or bolt gun. 2. Fire the weapon in the approved manner at the range using an oudated technique. 3. Not firing more than a box of ammo at any one time. 4. Going back to the clubhouse for the rest of the day to drink coffee and shoot the shit with your friends, about how plastic guns break and have no power and shitty triggers and any rifle that fires a bullet that isn't a .30cal is weak and only for girls and wusses.
THUTTY CAL FORTAH FIVE! THUTTY CAL FORTAH FIVE! THUTTY CAL FORTAH FIVE! THUTTY CAL FORTAH FIVE! THUTTY CAL FORTAH FIVE! THUTTY CAL FORTAH FIVE! Ad Nauseum.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Mar 19, 2015 15:43:55 GMT
Guy was saying Glock sucks because he's got a Gen 1 Glock 22 and it sucks, sample size of one. Well, I just did a bit of research and the Glock 22 was introduced in 1990. Glock began making all guns Gen 3 in 1990. He's a liar or he's got no clue. Bit harsh, yes, but don't spin me a riddle.
The only Gen 1 were Glock 17s. The only Gen 2 were Glock 19s and 17s. Everything else is Gen 3, there maybe some Gen 2 Glock 21s.
Anywho. Fun on the internet.
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Post by dannusmaximus on Mar 19, 2015 18:25:41 GMT
There is always a sub-segment of society who thinks it is totally cool and 'with it' to not like stuff because it's popular. Bands, cars, furniture styles, movies, hair styles, whatever. Let's people feel like they're superior or in the know as opposed to the ignorant masses.
I smile and nod at these folks when it comes to gun stuff, and say things like "You don't say..." or "Huh. That's interesting..." Makes them continue to feel superior, and who am I to prevent somebody from feeling good about themselves?
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Post by RTF Squared on Mar 19, 2015 19:12:15 GMT
Glock haters are just non-gunning moefauxs one average, at least in my eyes. Got a good friend who bags on my Glock at any opportunity, and always talks up his "swat competition issue" Sig P245. Well guess who struggles to put rounds on a man size target? Not the dood with the shitty Glock. I laughed at and called his ass out for that shit. Still thinks he's a better shot with a better gun. Ignorance is bliss.
His brother has an XD45. Bought it because he saw a Glock choke on aluminum case ammo once. Convinced it is the ultimate handgun or something. Dood uses this weird half teacup thumbs off grip and you can see how much he struggles with follow-up shots. Still convinced it's a better gun with a better finger on it. Whatever.
Back when I didn't own Glocks and tried a bunch of other guns before having one, I was in the camp Dannus described. They were too popular, lots of DBs have them, fuck that I'll be the cool guy and have something else. Then I realized that other guns suck by comparison. So I'll use that ugly ass black brick of a pistola because I just does the job I need it for. No wonder everybody has this ugly ass gun. It works.
I'm now in the camp that if you don't have a Glock, you better have a damn good, quantifiable reason, or I'll have no respect for about anything you say about guns. If you can say "I like my VP9 for the super comfortable grip angle, or my M&P mitigates recoil better for me" that's fine. But if it's "I have ab XD because I think Glock sucks, or Sig is what leet operators use," stuff it.
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Post by nxp on Mar 19, 2015 19:35:51 GMT
There will always be fanboys and fangirls of every brand, and in that brand you can divide it further into plastic/metal, model, caliber, etc. I think there's always some misconceptions of handguns floating around, part of them are fortified by Hollywood, some from over zealous gun rags, and a lot from gran'pappy's good bud who was a submarine sniper for Charlie back in the early 60's.
Fact, handguns just aren't as accurate as most people THINK they really are. IMO, Glock kind of personified this with it's outstanding combat accuracy, not necessarily outstanding target accuracy, with the added benefit of an outstanding mechanical uptime. Combine that with all the firsts that Glock had - the first real polymer hand gun in a sea of steel, the first mass marketed and reasonably inexpensive striker fired pistol, the first to have politicians wail about a gun that could sneak through metal detectors and vaporize babies on sight, etc, it's easy to point a finger and proclaim hate.
Then came easy access internet, so now all the goons can pile together and echo chamber all their collective misinformation on something other than the alt.rec.weapons.firearms, and here we are.
For all the things that folks love to hate on "America's Brick", there's something to be said about a design that's fundamentally changed very little over it's 25+ years of existence through 4 generations. It's an original, it will be what the 1911 is, and it won't be going anywhere.
Welcome to Glock.
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Post by Browning35 on Mar 20, 2015 12:23:58 GMT
The only Gen 1 were Glock 17s. The only Gen 2 were Glock 19s and 17s. Everything else is Gen 3, there maybe some Gen 2 Glock 21s. Anywho. Fun on the internet. There was also the Glock 20 in 2nd Gen, I only remember this because there was one at a gun show in Phoenix in the late 90's where a guy had a bunch of 15 rd mags with it and guys were damn near fighting each other over who was gonna buy it. Ran into one later at a gunshop that I almost bought, I thought it was the coolest thing ever having 15 rds of 10mm and the Gunstore was selling it on consignment for a guy. He wanted too much for it and I didn't get it though. - On topic I think it's because Glock's were the first really popular polymer gun (there were those H&K VP70's and P9S's before, but they didn't take off like Glock's did because of the Law Enforcement contracts that they managed to secure by practically giving the things away) and so are a bit emblematic for the old fogey generation of a problem who believes that guns should be made of steel or at least aluminum. Also some people who take a hard nose, uncompromising stand on an issue appear well informed to the uninitiated and to some it gives the person talking in person or typing on the net some sort of credentials or to at the very least appear knowledgeable. On the net there's a degree of anonymity, so people don't know if they're talking to a gunsmith who's been in the business for a long time, an engineer for one of the larger gun companies or some slob who never graduated high school and lives in his moms basement. |
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Post by NamelessStain on Mar 26, 2015 17:07:29 GMT
I have a response in the form of a question: Why does hating everything but Glock make you an expert?Over on that other place you can't ask a question about a pistol without some twit throwing out Glock. I've seen threats where people specifically compare 2 revolvers and BOOM!! "Why don't you just buy a Glock XX?" Brother, Pro-glock and Con-glock all think they are experts, you should know this by now.  It's the guy who experiences more than just 1 brand that is the true expert because all pistols have their advantages and disadvantages. It's just which ones do you prefer. BTW, SA 1911 RULEZ!!!! |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Mar 26, 2015 17:40:19 GMT
I prefer Glock but I also like Sig, CZ (Being me very secondist favoritiest) and FN. There are very few guns I will not touch. Glock is the best for me and if asked, I think it's the one to get. I don't think anyone is a noob, non-ESXEPRT if someone likes something else. It was just funny becasue these guys refuse to train and go to the range once and awhile. IDK, just something out there that's just goofy to me. And 1911s just blow...  |
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Post by as556 on Mar 26, 2015 20:23:16 GMT
I sold my $700 Sig P series for a Gen 2 used 17. Why? The Glock is a better pistol.
Git sum.
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Post by dannusmaximus on Mar 26, 2015 22:53:32 GMT
Honestly, one of the reasons I do NOT consider myself particularly knowledgeable about firearms is because I have VERY limited experience with anything that is not a Glock or AR type rifle. I have owned a Ruger P90 and Taurus PT145, but that was before I learned that you actually have to train with and shoot pistols if you want to get any good with them (and, it turns out, neither of those guns get particularly great reviews from folks in the know...). I've put thousands of rounds through Glocks and feel completely at ease with them. Pretty much any other handgun I literally have to ask what the different levers and switches and buttons sticking off of them are for. HOWEVER, if I had trained and shot as much with a 1911 style or different striker fired pistol I would no doubt be just as at ease with THOSE guns as I am with a Glock - - might even like them better! Ditto any rifle other than an AR. Yeah, I've put a few rounds through buddy's AK's or bolt action or other semi-auto rifles, but nothing beyond familiarization firing. I don't hunt, so I've never had any need to get really used to a huting rifle. Ditto a shotgun. If it isn't an 870, I got nothing, and I'm not overly confident with one of those. AR style bang sticks? I can't even begin to guess how many rounds I've fired between military training, classes, and general range time. So, that's a long way of saying +1 to what Nameless is saying. If people ask me about certain guns because they mistakenly think I know about such things, I almost always have to tell them some version of "Man I don't know anything about that brand..." Sad. |
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Post by redeyes on Mar 27, 2015 0:25:23 GMT
If I had to go over to another pistol; as long as it was reliable, had a decent trigger and reset, was user serviceable, reasonably lightweight, low priced parts and accessories, and had decent capacity, I wouldn't have a fit. In all the important areas Glock nailed it and in the spirit of Gen. B. Forrest they got there first with the most. Are there other great pistols out there, sure, but I would rather be spending my time and money on ammo and training than trying to figure out if another pistol fits me just a hair better or if the trigger is just a bit nicer on this one or whatever dude's with craptons of guns with low round counts worry about.
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Post by redeyes on Mar 27, 2015 0:40:53 GMT
Honestly, one of the reasons I do NOT consider myself particularly knowledgeable about firearms is because I have VERY limited experience with anything that is not a Glock or AR type rifle. I have owned a Ruger P90 and Taurus PT145, but that was before I learned that you actually have to train with and shoot pistols if you want to get any good with them (and, it turns out, neither of those guns get particularly great reviews from folks in the know...). I've put thousands of rounds through Glocks and feel completely at ease with them. Pretty much any other handgun I literally have to ask what the different levers and switches and buttons sticking off of them are for. HOWEVER, if I had trained and shot as much with a 1911 style or different striker fired pistol I would no doubt be just as at ease with THOSE guns as I am with a Glock - - might even like them better! Ditto any rifle other than an AR. Yeah, I've put a few rounds through buddy's AK's or bolt action or other semi-auto rifles, but nothing beyond familiarization firing. I don't hunt, so I've never had any need to get really used to a huting rifle. Ditto a shotgun. If it isn't an 870, I got nothing, and I'm not overly confident with one of those. AR style bang sticks? I can't even begin to guess how many rounds I've fired between military training, classes, and general range time. So, that's a long way of saying +1 to what Nameless is saying. If people ask me about certain guns because they mistakenly think I know about such things, I almost always have to tell them some version of "Man I don't know anything about that brand..." Sad. I am about the same. There are lots of guns out there that if GBM hadn't let me play with I would have no idea about them other than what they looked like in pictures. Common guns I have never fired; any type of Beretta, most of the Sigs except the 2022, all the M&P's, I have fired a 1911 exactly once, all the FN's except the .45, Kahrs, Kel Tecs, High Points, most of the Ruger line, snubbie revolvers, as far as rifle's go if it isn't a AR or AK I haven't fired it much or at all, for shotguns if it isn't a Saiga 12, 870 express, Mossberg 590A1, or that cool little over under GBM has, I haven't fired it. |
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Post by NamelessStain on Mar 27, 2015 10:42:05 GMT
Common guns I have never fired; ... I have fired a 1911 exactly once... , for shotguns if it isn't a Saiga 12, 870 express, Mossberg 590A1, or that cool little over under GBM has, I haven't fired it. These are things will will have to resolve when OM throws a bash at his place Add to that list a Ruger Blackhawk in .45LC. OM had joygasms firing it. |
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It's the guy who experiences more than just 1 brand that is the true expert because all pistols have their advantages and disadvantages. It's just which ones do you prefer.
