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Post by Browning35 on Nov 23, 2013 23:31:50 GMT
The Knockout game, flash mobs and race. Can we talk about it honestly? The title says it all. Can we really talk about racial problems without everyone freaking out? In the news lately is the mainstream media waking up to the racial aspects surrounding ' The Knockout Game'. The Knockout Game is where a group of thugs targets an unsuspecting person and attempts to knock them out, preferably with one punch. Many times though it's more than one punch and there have been at least 7 murders associated with the 'game'. It's almost always committed with at least the backing of a group and it's almost always on an alone or otherwise vulnerable person. In addition to the troubling violent criminal part of the story is the racial angle. These attacks are predominantly committed by Blacks and are almost always against non-Blacks (White, Jewish and Asian). WND : Surprise, media finally wakes up to knockout game (*Click*)Heavy : Knockout game video clips (*Click*)Like Flash Mobs (*Click*) it's a story largely left uncovered by the mainstream media because they're uncomfortable talking about the racial aspect of it. If the situation were reversed and White mobs of young people were attacking Blacks in mob attacks is there any doubt at all that these stories would be top news? I don't think so. In fact when Philadelphia Magazine merely addressed the issue of fractured race relations from the point of view of some White residents there were calls from the Mayor and others for an investigation by the Human Relations Board even though he had recently said many of the same things. Being White in Philadelphia (*Click*)
philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/03/15/controversial-article-published-in-local-magazine-has-mayor-nutter-asking-for-investigation/
Philadelphia's Mayor takes aim at Flash Mobs (*Click*)The purpose of this thread is to discuss the nuts and bolts of defending yourself and your family from a mob attack and to talk about the sensitive issue of race relations and to basically get a discussion going on it. Although I couldn't ever really be considered politically correct in any sense of the phrase I'm not completely insensitive to White-on-Black racism either currently or from the past. However I do think that civil rights efforts in the past have mostly taken care of this issue as much as it can be and I feel that it's gone in far the other direction to the point where ' some pigs are more equal that others' (random Orwell reference). This isn't to say that the issue is being completely ignored. However when it is addressed and talked about in a frank manner it's usually by a person of color. Thomas Sowell on the Knockout Game (*Click*)Throw in current levels of interracial crime and there's an problem and apparently it's taboo to talk about this issue. Nothing's ever going to get fixed if people don't talk about it. Nothing can ever be done to completely solve an issue like this. There are always going to be people who attack others because they're different or merely convienent and vulnerable. However issues can be drastically reduced in size though if seriously addressed. Offenders can be given stiff sentences instead of having their actions dismissed as not that serious. In fact it's only going to get worse and eventually there will be a backlash. I'm almost certain that such a defensive shooting would be turned into another Trayvon Martin incident where despite an obvious attack the shooting would be viewed through the lens of somehow not being justified. It's better than possibly being dead, paralyzed or with possible brain damage though. I've seen a couple articles on how to defend yourself and possibly your family against such attacks by multiple offenders, this is one of them. Suarez : The Flash Mob Attack - How to defend (*Click*)So what say you? |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 23, 2013 23:52:39 GMT
It's an issue, not so much of race to me but of culture. There are cultures that accept this and those that don't. The culture that accepts this is seriously degraded. However, since the vast majority of these times of attacks are committed by one race generally against all other races, there is obviously a culture within a race that is committing these acts.
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 24, 2013 0:29:54 GMT
I agree with that. For instance it's not like all Blacks or a majority that agrees with or dismisses these attacks, much less like they're out committing them. Most Blacks like people everywhere are generally pretty decent.
At the same time most Blacks except the ultra-conservative type seem unwilling to condemn them.
IMO it's probably a pretty sizable segment within the 'Thug Life' underclass that agrees with these attacks or thinks them as not that big of a deal.
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Post by shiddymunkie on Nov 24, 2013 3:20:15 GMT
I haven't ever witnessed anything like this in person, but I have seen small groups of people essentially bullying/harassing some random person on the street for no other reason but because they could. Unfortunately you see this type of behavior all the time in schools, except its usually toned down given the setting, and often limited to verbal abuse and/or mild physical assaults like pushing, tripping, etc. But, you take that same mentality, bring it to the streets where there is less supervision, and add the potential of becoming a YouTube celebrity, you get 'games' like this.
What makes this so dangerous is its potential to spread. I hate to say it, but if the media starts making a big stink over this, the problem is going to get worse. I guarantee you that others will want to do this simply because it'll be the new cool/popular thing to do.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 24, 2013 15:31:34 GMT
So far it's been limited to Philadelphia, Detroit, Chicago and Columbia as far as I've read. When it happened here the local govt. dragged their feet until the local media got a hold of it and the Sheriff heard about it, then they were charged as adults. Just an anecdotal story about the thug culture related to me by a deputy serving an arrest warrant on a 17 year old for armed robbery. He went to the house, hooked the kid up and was processing him. The mom came out and attempted to talk the kid out of the arrest. She said this was the first time he'd ever done an armed robbery and he should get a pass. The deputy said that this was not the first time he'd personally arrested the kid for a wide array of offenses. He the told the woman that if she didn't go back inside he'd arrest her for interfering with police duties. All three parties were black. So, to me, this is most definitely a culture with in a race. Another anecdotal story from Columbia. The gangs here do not act like the gangs in other areas where as they would be strictly defined by race, color or geography. Gangs here mix colors, areas, and races which makes combating them an added level of complexity. That stated a new gang has formed and they wear camouflage, like real tree and mossy oak. Yeah, weird. Anyway, their big debut was at the state fair where wearing "colors" is banned. So they dropped the colors and wore camo to get in. Welp, they started massive gang fights on the first few nights of the fair. Then the sheriff recommended the state fair ban young black males from wearing camo and barring their entrance along with a curfew of 10pm unless with their parents. The police demanded IDs too. Anyway, howls of racism and discrimination abounded. Sheriff said, it's private property, they can ban anyone they want however, once implemented, the gang problem completely stopped. And wait, the sage continues. Since the media talked about black kids in camo and the fair banned them, guess what, now all the young black kids are wearing camo. They weren't doing this before, it was hoodies for trayvon. Now it's camo because they're hardcore gangsters causing trouble at the state fair. I really wish something would happen that caused them to PULL UP their pants. Didn't Florida pass a law that it was indecent exposure? Yeah, quite a brain trust. Regardless of their stupidity, they're still dangerous and unpredictable. This is a strongly divergent culture that is entirely rejecting social norms for a life of violence and thuggery. Next threads going to be on meth heads.  |
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 24, 2013 16:56:13 GMT
I haven't ever witnessed anything like this in person, but I have seen small groups of people essentially bullying/harassing some random person on the street for no other reason but because they could. Unfortunately you see this type of behavior all the time in schools, except its usually toned down given the setting, and often limited to verbal abuse and/or mild physical assaults like pushing, tripping, etc. But, you take that same mentality, bring it to the streets where there is less supervision, and add the potential of becoming a YouTube celebrity, you get 'games' like this. I've seen things like this. Except when I was a kid it was more getting jumped and the cell phone video thing is a new twist. Personally I think the only way it'll really stop is when the increased hate crime penalties are applied across the board when it's truly applicable and when the individual who defends themselves isn't suddenly a ' racist' for defending themselves. During the civil rights era when Blacks were assaulted and murdered with relative impunity that shit eventually got put to a stop when the penalties increased and when Blacks weren't prosecuted for defending themselves. The same thing needs to happen here. |
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Post by shiddymunkie on Nov 24, 2013 18:51:26 GMT
So far it's been limited to Philadelphia, Detroit, Chicago and Columbia as far as I've read. When it happened here the local govt. dragged their feet until the local media got a hold of it and the Sheriff heard about it, then they were charged as adults. (snip) Since the media talked about black kids in camo and the fair banned them, guess what, now all the young black kids are wearing camo. They weren't doing this before, it was hoodies for trayvon. Now it's camo because they're hardcore gangsters causing trouble at the state fair. And therein lies the dilemma -- is it better to bring awareness to the issue in hopes that something is done about it, or does shining a spotlight on it make matters worse? Both sides have valid points. I didn't know about this game until I saw in through a media outlet, which was beneficial for me and my wife because at least now we know to be cautious. However, you take that same media outlet and show it to someone else, and it may encourage them to perpetuate the game themselves. This is a good article covering the role the media plays in incidents such as this. There is a fine line between reporting the news and setting the stage for news. |
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Post by shiddymunkie on Nov 24, 2013 19:04:08 GMT
Personally I think the only way it'll really stop is when the increased hate crime penalties are applied across the board when it's truly applicable and when the individual who defends themselves isn't suddenly a ' racist' for defending themselves. During the civil rights era when Blacks were assaulted and murdered with relative impunity that shit eventually got put to a stop when the penalties increased and when Blacks weren't prosecuted for defending themselves. The same thing needs to happen here. I couldn't agree more. In the wake of Trayvon Martin, I think people are especially apprehensive when it comes to defending themselves against someone of a different race (particularly African-americans). People are so afraid of being labeled a racist that they will actually give preferential treatment to these individuals just to prove how non-racist they are. Unfortunately, that only encourages further abuse of 'the race card'. I have to say, crying racism when it doesn't apply is probably the biggest contributer to actual racism (on both sides). |
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 24, 2013 20:13:40 GMT
Personally I think the only way it'll really stop is when the increased hate crime penalties are applied across the board when it's truly applicable and when the individual who defends themselves isn't suddenly a ' racist' for defending themselves. During the civil rights era when Blacks were assaulted and murdered with relative impunity that shit eventually got put to a stop when the penalties increased and when Blacks weren't prosecuted for defending themselves. The same thing needs to happen here. I couldn't agree more. In the wake of Trayvon Martin, I think people are especially apprehensive when it comes to defending themselves against someone of a different race (particularly African-americans). People are so afraid of being labeled a racist that they will actually give preferential treatment to these individuals just to prove how non-racist they are. Unfortunately, that only encourages further abuse of 'the race card'. I have to say, crying racism when it doesn't apply is probably the biggest contributer to actual racism (on both sides). Yeah, given the current climate I don't really foresee much being done about it. Especially with people like Holder in charge. So I personally think we'll see a backlash eventually. |
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 25, 2013 0:51:49 GMT
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 25, 2013 16:48:22 GMT
I've actually seen/heard worse.
Asking for dope pipes back 'cause my dad gave it to me'.
Not too much is going to surprise me about gang bangers, drug addicts, criminals or the well from which they sprang.
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Post by Gingerbread Man on Nov 27, 2013 11:52:26 GMT
Welp, time to close this thread, it's a myth. 
www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/26/knockout-game-myth/3729635/News outlets say there is no data to support notion that 'knockout game' is growing trend. Recent reports indicate that the 'Knockout Game' might be an urban myth.(Photo: By Carolyn Kaster, AP) Story Highlights Police officials are saying assaults have actually been random FBI data shows .7% rise in assaults using 'hands and fists' People in some communities have become fearful of the alleged game COMMENTEMAILMORESome news organizations are refuting the existence of an alleged phenomenon known as the "knockout game" that has been the subject of media warnings in recent weeks. According to reports by CNN, the Today show, USA TODAY and others, the game takes place when young people randomly assault strangers in an attempt to knock them out with one punch. The attacks are leading to arrests, more officers on the streets and warnings for vigilance among the public, law enforcement officials and victims advocates told USA TODAY. In New Haven, Conn., police spokesman David Hartman said police are investigating six incidents in the past month as possible "knockouts." But police officials in several cities where the attacks have been reported say the knockout game is an urban myth, and that attacks that have received recent attention in the media have been random assaults, the New York Times is reporting. "We're trying to determine whether or not this is a real phenomenon," the news organization quotes New York police commissioner Raymond Kelly as saying. "I mean, yes, something like this can happen. But we would like to have people come forward and give us any information they have." A column on Slate.com reports that while the game does exist, there is no hard data to support the notion that it is a growing trend that has reached epidemic levels. It also refutes the suggestion by some news organizations that some of the attacks have been racially motivated. The Slate piece makes reference to another piece on the patheos.com website that says, " Nobody seems to have any evidence that it's spreading, or that it's new, or that it's racially motivated." WHAT?!? Really, no evidence?
The piece continues, "Most sources claim that it is spreading, and a number of sources claim that it is racially motivated. But how do they know? Where are they getting their data from?" In New York, reports appear to have blossomed in recent weeks. Two weeks ago, a 78-year-old woman reported she was punched in the head, the Times reports. The Jewish community has been fearful too. One Hasidic teen said he was approached by eight men and punched in the face by one of them, Democratic New York State Assemblyman Dov Hikind told the Times. According to the news organization, the city is panicked. "It's sick, it's scary," Hikind is quoted as saying. The Daily Beast reports that assaults with "hands and fists" in America rose .7% from 2011 to 2012, according to the FBI. "The 'knockout game' may or may not be a new phenomenon, but with a few instances out of tens of thousands of assaults, it's not a trend, and media outlets shouldn't treat it as one," the news organization reports. Whew, that was a close one. Sure glad the mass media cleared that up. Only a 0.7% increase in hands being used in assaults. Uh, goofballs, that's a big change. I'm always amazed how willing so people are to put on blinders to some things yet to to summersaulting backflips to manufacture what isn't there.
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Post by omegaman on Nov 27, 2013 14:02:12 GMT
It's garbage like this that reassures my choice of keeping my ass out in the country!
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Post by Browning35 on Nov 27, 2013 16:42:06 GMT
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Post by shiddymunkie on Nov 28, 2013 0:57:58 GMT
Of course they would deny the games existence! If something like that did exist (which it obviously does) then that wouldn't reflect too well on the those in law enforcement who are responsible for keeping those areas safe and under control.
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